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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trudeau and double standards

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Artesia · 19/09/2019 18:04

Apparently Justin Trudeau has apologised for photos which have emerged of him with “blackface” make up. I am dying for someone to ask him why donning a costume and make up to mimic another race is offensive and worthy of apology, yet dressing up in “woman face” and demanding to be given full women’s rights should be applauded as stunning and brave.

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NewNameGuy · 20/09/2019 10:26

Imagine the insane slathering hysteria if there was a pic of trump dressed this way.

Live by the woke sword die by the woke sword, I hope

Justhadathought · 20/09/2019 10:31

Live by the woke sword die by the woke sword, I hope

This is it, isn't it? Political correctness and identity politics has become insane. The contradictions within it are bound, always, to be exposed.

Jillyhilly · 20/09/2019 10:35

Political correctness and identity politics has become insane. The contradictions within it are bound, always, to be exposed.

Don’t they say that every revolution ends by eating its own? Hopefully the identity politics revolution is heading in that direction too.

Justhadathought · 20/09/2019 10:41

So much of modern life encourages an internal focus rather than an external one. Of course, it is important to be aware of one's own inner self - but too much self absorption is not healthy.

People walking around the streets with ear-phones on, or looking at their hand held device. No awareness of the world or the people around them. Actively shutting it out and living instead in tailor made, individualistic worlds.

Jillyhilly · 20/09/2019 10:43

It's in much the same way that there are millions of men who wouldn't dream of hitting or sexually assaulting a woman, but still think that women really aren't quite as clever or as able as men are

But you’re doing exactly the same identity politics thing here. You don’t know what “millions of men” think. You are lumping a massive group of people together and ascribing negative characteristics to them. It’s a very unfair and unsophisticated way of viewing groups of people.

And people are actually (still, just about) allowed to have messy, bad, angry, complicated, confused, hateful thoughts - thoughts about other people - inside the privacy of their own head. Very often this doesn’t actually result in bad behaviour. We all do it, and it is part of being human. I hate my boss and have all sorts is nasty fantasies about him, but I’m actually able to get through the days without murdering him.

RoyalCorgi · 20/09/2019 10:43

...and don't see anything wrong with 'womanface', think it's hilarious, and believe that men can become women by just saying so.

Yes. There was an interesting moment on Twitter a few days ago. Richard Herring said he didn't see the problem with using people's preferred pronouns, and it was just polite. Couldn't understand why so many people were making a fuss about it. Lots of people replied explaining why it was such an important issue and not anything to do with politeness, citing Yaniv etc. And after a while someone noticed that Herring was replying to all the men, but not to any of the women. So Herring, who probably imagines he's not in the slightest bit sexist, still took the men more seriously than the women. (Or, as someone pointed out, he may have been using Terf blocker so he couldn't see the women's responses, which is an even more depressing thought.)

Childrenofthestones · 20/09/2019 16:57

It was gaslighting the nation, live on TV that I have to take my hat off to.
In his apology (in which he still managed to sound like he was lecturing us for something we'd all done wrong) where he said "Though Canada was a great country, there was so much left to do."
Then incredulously " People of colour still suffer institutionalised racism in Canadian schools!"
No shit, .....said the man who was a 29yr old white teacher, who thought it was a hoot to wear black blackface at a school event!
Hahaha. The man has balls like king Kong.
He has said he doesn't know how many times he did this or if there are more pictures likely to surface. Even allowing for the lefts ability show double standards and bend over backwards when dealing with this I think one more will be the end of him.
To be honest I've always half expected him to be revealed as a me too groper.

Justhadathought · 21/09/2019 09:37

I wonder what the response would be if a white man identified as a black woman? He may identify with aspects of 'black culture' more than with 'white culture', as well as identifying more as 'a woman' more than as ' a man', and might want to resemble and be taken for what and who he truly feels himself to be.

If he can signal gender identity by appropriating the outward physical characteristics and dress of a woman why not fully express his 'black identity' with the use skin darkening products or make-ups, and by visiting a black hair dresser?

What's the difference,? is there any? I think not; although I can imagine many on the 'woke' left being outraged at the suggestion.
If absolute physical/ genetic realities are 'immaterial' in the pursuit of individualistic expression, then this must apply across the board?

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 21/09/2019 09:41

And the BBC are about to screen Ru Paul’s Drag Race. Celebrating men dressing up as women.

No irony.

Prowlerneedsajump · 21/09/2019 09:49

When I first heard reports of this, simply along the lines of “dressing up” as a mythical character, I didn’t understand what the problem was. Wasn’t sure how doing what actors in role do all the time was racist. I thought he had simply been in Arabian costume.
Then I saw the photos, first the Aladdin and then the awful video with the Afro wig and singing. Boy oh boy! No one could have any be left in doubt after seeing those.
Someone mentioned the Black and White Minstrels. I was taken to a pantomime in the early 1970s where they performed. Even then, as a little girl, I felt that there was something very wrong about it. We lived in Brixton and I had friends of many nationalities. I can remember even now how uncomfortable it made me feel. I must have been 7 or 8. Mr. Trudeau was 29.

Ereshkigal · 21/09/2019 10:04

Or, as someone pointed out, he may have been using Terf blocker so he couldn't see the women's responses, which is an even more depressing thought.)

He wasn't, as the people he was ignoring wouldn't have been able to see his posts if that were the case. It could be down to Twitter "deboosting" shenanigans that he couldn't see them, which is also depressing.

Juells · 21/09/2019 11:01

If absolute physical/ genetic realities are 'immaterial' in the pursuit of individualistic expression, then this must apply across the board?

You'd think so, but logic has nothing to do with feelz, apparently.

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