Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

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From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

Toy boys and paying men for sex/ or dances being two totally separate things obviously (better spell it out for clarity) but both were put as no, there's no market for either.

Males sell sexual acts, I don't think that is in doubt.

My LibDem MP got outed in the press for paying for sex with men by the men he paid, he blamed it on going bald and having a mid life crisis and his wife and 3 kids were rolled out as damage limitation. He lost his seat along with the rest of his hair.

From a feminist perspective I was gutted for his wife who was in the same baby group as me, and for all of us that worked so hard to get him elected as that killed stone dead any LibDem vote in the town ever again.

I just looked up the news reports and had a hollow laugh at this statemetn made by Mark about the immediate aftermath of the press exposure:

"The Liberal Democrats' chief executive, Chris Rennard, began to take control of the practical side of things."

There's a whole professional infrastructure set up to maintain the sex lives of men.

So well done to these women who blew the whistle and I will donate again and again to defending them over the evidence they gathered. The idea that the filming of women performing sex acts watched by male club employees for the purpose of legal compliance is ethical and controlled but similar recording with the intent to expose wrongdoing for the pupose of legal compliance is not ethical because they are sex acts is going to be a mighty conundrum.

Take it up with whoever it was who said there wasn't a market for toy boys and women hiring men for sex

There isn't a market doesn't mean it never happens. Do please point out which town has a female equivalent of a permanent strip club?

And actually Vivienne Westwood is married to her young man. I personally do not criticise marriages or permanent relationships where there is a significant age gap if it is clear there is commitment and companionship and that regardless of who is the younger party.

It's pretty disgusting that you compare their relationship to astripper dropping her knickers and showing her cunt to a stranger for money.

Males sell sexual acts of that there is no doubt
Then you go on to mention a male case.
The point that was made was selling to FEMALES, but that doesn't fit the narrative, does it?
So it goes ignored under the guise of a twisted round answer.

To Courtney or Rose's do please point out which town has a female equivalent of a permanent strip club?

NatashasDance read my post properly and you'll see I said toyboys and strippers were separate.
I wasn't comparing the relationship at all, so stop trying to make out I was.

The point that was made was selling to FEMALES, but that doesn't fit the narrative, does it?

Go and do some research and come back with estimates for market size in GBP.

There are markets in the UK for white truffles and baked beans. Guess which one dwarfs the other?

Ah, we're "women do it too"-ing now, are we?

In trivially small numbers. And without the institutionalised power structures to mean that men are trafficked and controlled in large numbers so rich women can get their rocks off. That just does not happen.

Anyway, back to the actual point of the thread.

Spearmint Rhino in Sheffield was in violation of its licencing conditions, by (among other things) allowing punters to touch the female dancers. The licencing authority did nothing. So whistleblowers filmed what was going on - with a number of ex dancers at the club giving testimony to back up this film footage. The council, supposed regulatory body, has ignored this and renewed the licence.

This is not about whether we can find some women happy with dancing in strip clubs. This is not about whether there are some clubs which enforce the no touching rules properly. This is not about whether there are some regulatory bodies doing their jobs properly.

This is about a specific club where ex dancers blew the whistle because the club management was tolerating touching. And because Sheffield council, in its capacity as regulatory body, was ignoring the ex dancers' concerns. And even when presented with video evidence of the infringements, renewed the licence.

Even if you are a lib feminist who sees feminism as indistinguishable from libertarianism, and thinks that any choice made by a woman is a feminist choice simply because it was made by a woman, surely you should be able to see this is an utter failure in regulation.

Would you be happy to work in a club where the management let punters touch you? Would you be happy with a town where the council's regulatory body took no action when you complained that management were letting the punters touch you? You (generic lib fem you) keep saying this is all about consent. But presumably these dancers are not consenting to being touched. So where is the remedy for the fact that they are trying to do their jobs (a job like any other, you tell me), and yet are being forced to work in intolerable conditions?

I'm not wearing a narrative Roses, so no idea about the fit.

I was a FEMALE being sold sex in a sex club in my first post (using your caps there, no idea why we have to but hey ho).

I watched a documentary about the very sucessful designer that reinvigorated Vivienne's business. They got married and there is an age difference, yes, but trivalising a successful man and the succesful woman who married him as a toyboy relationship is a bit pathetic and sexist to both of them. deary me.

Naked film footage taken WITHOUT CONSENT.
How is that OK?
It's not.
Whatever you say, it's not.
If people are saying they'll pay to defend them, I'm obviously not in the minority if the law agrees it's not Ok.
I don't know why you (general you) can't see this.
As for a solution? No one's come up with any. Apart from one which is take away choice from all women by closing every single club down.

Barbara has it. All the bleating and 'look, a squirrel!' shouldn't distract from the case outlined in that post.

But I'm sure some will keep doing it.

Waterloo Again read it properly as I did nothing of the sort so again, nice try.

Crimes are decided on intent Roses.

Apart from one which is take away choice from all women by closing every single club down.

ALL WOMEN???
😂🤣😂

read my post properly and you'll see I said toyboys and strippers were separate.
I wasn't comparing the relationship at all, so stop trying to make out I was

What relevance does it have then? Why even refer to it?

Yes by shutting down all clubs, you take away choice from women, but you must know that really?
As in, like those trying to be silenced by being called a myth and don't really exist and ridiculed earlier in the thread.
Those ones.
Still women.
They do exist and have rights.

Women can still show their vagina's to men without Sperming Rhinohorn venues if they so choose.

Apologies for the apostrophe.

So, what are the women in Spearmint Rhino in Sheffield meant to do? Keep allowing sleazy men to grope them because their managers and the city council don't give a shit? How is this consent?

(No, no, ignore the elephant in the middle of the room, we must keep focusing on the small gnat in the corner over there.)

Roses, suggest you pop up to Sheffield and speak with the actual women there and since you like to keep going, don’t stop there and carry on to Leeds, speak with the women in Holbeck. Tell them how fervently you disagree with whistleblowing.
(Just remember to choose the standard version of women ie adult human females before you start asking the punters their views 😂 )

Yes by shutting down all clubs, you take away choice from women, but you must know that really?

You said all women. You can't comprehend other people's posts, and now you can't comprehend your own.

Rose yo7 have almost done a straight 36 hour shift on this thread

It’s a lovely day , you know friends and family might welcome some interaction with you , or a walk in the park , or read a book just a bit strange for anybody to invest so much time on a internet chat thread

Has there been a benefit at all because I haven’t yet seen a good explanation about anything from any of your posts

I don't disagree with whistleblowing at all.
It must have been needed in this case.
What I'm disagreeing with is the METHOD of whistleblowing by randomers off the street taking naked photos without consent.
There's laws against that.

Clearly the offences filmed by the club were ignored by the Rhino men paid to watch. The women consented to this for their own protection and yet the contract was not honoured or repsected by the men whose paid job it was.

Why is that?

Just a bit strange to spend so much time on an internet chat thread
*Go spend time with friends and family"
Is this ever levered at the ever present voices who always agree with you?
Or is this only saved for dissenters?