Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

[stumbledin]

From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

That much is obvious.

Why would I care about someone who was happy in their job and not coerced in it? Why would I be interested in multiple posts about this?

I'm contributing to a thread about actual, real, women who have proved their employer maintained a coercive and abusive environment.

Why is it so important for Courtney to talk about Courtney instead of the actual women the thread is about?

I'm interested in women who are abused at work. The topic of this thread.

Courtney555

The discussion has been going on for seven months. And the hearing, or whatever they called it, lasted eight hours. And they discovered over 200 violations.

It doesn't matter which way you cut this up, or what speculation you indulge in, that's what was found. The only person who has mentioned prostitutes masquerading as dancers, is you. It's all in your head.

Penny
but it's alright when it's done to me on here?
No.
You're right, it's upsetting, isn't it?
Or do people not give a fuck about it (see I didn't say fux I swore properly) when it's the right posters doing it?

People pulled me up on it, so I was just saying bold it as people don't like that.
Or maybe they do and don't care because you agree with them.
Who knows.

But surely the answer for this particular strip club is new management.

Then, Cunt, please explain why, after employee complaints, resident complaints, reports to the council's licensing authority, witness testimonies, undercover video evidence and a wealth of media reports - the club still has a licence.

Because abusive workplaces aren't addressed when the workplaces are part of the sex industry.

So please, don't tell us how wonderful it all is. It's an insult to those women. The ones this thread is about.

Never seen lap dancers at career days for 14 year olds at school stating its a good career choice ya know along side the vets or asda.. Wonder why?

Not one person on this thread is shaming women.
We rightly shame the men that create t the demand and tell us its OK as long as their own daughte/sister doesn't do it.

Roses
I did not understand your last post at all.

PennysPocket Thu 19-Sep-19 23:18:44

Roses I did not understand your last post at all

I'd like to say I'm surprised but I'm not.

Hi Hairy, fantastic questions.

I don't think they are necessary or excellent in any way besides the usual arguments for the value of art, culture, sports. I think the way they are currently run drains them of so much of the potential they could have. I'm obviously not going to argue they hold the same value as hospitals or schools or anything else similar.

No I don't have children, I'm not sure life has that in store for me but I guess we never know.

Would I like a son of mine to treat me as the men I meet do? How longs a piece of string? That premise begins from the assumption that all men in strip clubs treat me the same. That could not be further from the truth! I imagine it's the same in any customer facing role, some people you would happily natter to all day and others you cannot believe how rude they are.

Would I like to bring up a man that goes to strip clubs? Well that depends if we're talking about the kind of strip club that Sheffield was running. If that's the case absolutely not, I'd be mortified.

If I'd brought up a man who was capable of appreciating dancing and athletics and all the showmanship that goes with it without sexualising women I'd be bloody chuffed. I can't think of a happier ending that men and women being capable of appreciating each other and the mad and inspiring things our bodies are capable of without focusing on the nudity.

I'd like to say I'm surprised but I'm not.

Oh good you didn't understand it either!

Arghhh sorry I don't know where all the paragraphs went!!!

PennysPocket
I think she might be talking to the voices in her head again.

If I'd brought up a man who was capable of appreciating dancing and athletics and all the showmanship that goes with it without sexualising women I'd be bloody chuffed.

But cunts that concept has nothing to do with stripping/lab dancing clubs.

Dancing, showmanship and athletics applies to stuff like theatre and sport. Most men like those!

PennysPocket

Nope, understood just fine what I meant, but what's the point explaining if you don't get it?

• Poster tells me to bold properly or it looks like I'm talking to myself
• You do the same a bit later on so I say it to you to let you know that you might get told to bold properly
• I get a full on personal attack in response for saying the same thing that others on your side said.
• Upsetting, all this personal character asassinations of a poster isn't it? It bloody is. You must think so too to react the way you did.
• Maybe they're OK if they're against the wrong type of woman though? Who knows

That could not be further from the truth! I imagine it's the same in any customer facing role, some people you would happily natter to all day and others you cannot believe how rude they are.

Nah love I am selling them trousers not my tits.
I could not care about the man I am selling m and a matching pan set to. He's buying pans not my body.
What do you talk about?
His wife? Who knows nothing about him using the house money to view naked women?
You talk about his kids?
How he hopes his daughter follows in your footsteps?

He tells you lies love.
Maybe truths to you but they are lies to another women.
Stop fooling yourself.
These men see you as paid toys.

Nope sorry Rosesread it twice and your last post makes no sense.

I have noticed that some people think it is the job of others to understand what they meant instead of what they said.
I disagree.

When I said lab dancing, i obvs meant lap dancing...

PennysPocket

Nah love I am selling them trousers not my tits

Again with the patronising shit to those who disagree with you.(general you)
She's not your love.

Hun.

Why not engage without the belittling?

Hi Datun,

I spend a lot of time at the theatre, at dance shows, cabaret and clubs. There is just something entirely different about strip clubs and I honestly don't mean the seediness though unfortunately that's often there.

It just occupies this odd space, there's an honesty and a celebration of unbridled sexuality which you just don't get elsewhere.

Yes I want to eradicate all exploitation of the women who work there and if I thought banning clubs would achieve that I would endorse it. But I honestly don't think it will. It will just mean the women who do need help are less able to access it.

I just think there's room for a sort of half strip club, half circus, half cabaret but with a personal touch.

Sorry I'm aware I'm not explaining it well but I just think strip clubs run well COULD be different.

Also apologies to whoever asked about what we talk about with the customers. Yes, it is majority about the wives and the kids. I'm sure that's all manner of bizarre.

I just think there's room for a sort of half strip club, half circus, half cabaret but with a personal touch.

But how does that avoid the sexualisation of women? As soon as men are paying them to strip, the dynamic kicks in and legitimises.

That dog is ADORABLE!!!! more dogs please.

Also don't you think we tell them when they're spending all this money that they should be better!!!! I'm constantly asking what would your wife say? She doesn't know? Why doesn't she know? Don't let your daughter see you lying to her mum etc etc etc

I know it all sounds Freudian and absurd but honestly we can be more honest than most customer faced jobs. I call customers out on their bullshit all the time!!!

Cunt do you not see a world where women aren't objectified?

A world where women and men enjoy sexuality and sexual pleasure but women aren't objectified. Where pleasure is equal.

Where women's desires are seen as equal to men's.

Where women aren't scared, raped, or abused.

Where women are equally strong and have equitable feelings sexually.

I know it all sounds Freudian and absurd but honestly we can be more honest than most customer faced jobs. I call customers out on their bullshit all the time!!!

It sounds implausible. I don't imagine many punters will return to a club where the only thing they get is a guilt trip. Arch finger wagging between sets doesn't limit the objectification of women.

Because more often than not We're NOT being paid to strip. But even if we are why should it be any different than paying someone to perform any other type of art.

It feels as though the only reason the power dynamics are skewed is because of the nudity and because there is a horrid idea within society that women who aren't ashamed of their bodies or of being naked are in some way lesser or because most people wouldn't want to get naked in front of a stranger that they must immediately be at a disadvantage.

However for the majority of dancers and myself the nudity is irrelevant we've been trained in dance or theatre and using the body as a tool to convey meaning. I don't feel a loss of power when a stranger sees me naked. I'd walk down the street naked, it just does not bother me in the slightest

I'd walk down the street naked, it just does not bother me in the slightest

So why don't you?

It's not about your attitude is it ?