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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A beginners' guide to why TWAW is disputed

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popehilarious · 18/09/2019 13:52

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Aimed at men, but informative for someone wondering why people can't all just agree.

"I guess many liberal, 'open-minded' men think it sounds cool to chant TWAW. It's so easy. You just have to type four words, and it instantly makes you look like an inclusive, compassionate guy.

So let me explain to you what the logic behind your mantra entails exactly. ... ..."

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popehilarious · 18/09/2019 13:53

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Scarlett555 · 18/09/2019 14:15

It's a bit wordy for me and completely dismisses the experience of transgender people which wouldn't resonate with a lot of men.

When addressing men, I would rather see it summed up along the lines of:

'Any man who chants TWAW is denying his wife, mother or sister the right to see a female counsellor if she was raped or sexually assaulted. There are some instances when it's appropriate to treat TWAW and some when it's not.'

popehilarious · 18/09/2019 14:25

Any man who chants TWAW is denying his wife, mother or sister the right to see a female counsellor if she was raped or sexually assaulted. There are some instances when it's appropriate to treat TWAW and some when it's not.'

Horses for courses, but i would dismiss that if I read it with no prior knowledge as it doesn't show in any way how the conclusion is an automatic consequent of the premise.

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Inebriati · 18/09/2019 15:04

I don't find it too wordy (it was written on Twitter, which helps) and I really like the first and last paragraph;

''The assumption that people who produce small gametes can count as women erodes the original meaning of the word 'woman', defined as 'adult human of the sex that produces large gametes'.''

'Woman' is more accurate than 'female' because it applies to adult humans only.
'Female' refers to the sex class that produces ova, regardless of species and age. Others words are needed for specificity: the female fowl is a hen, the female horse is a mare, the female human is a woman.

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VickyEadieofThigh · 18/09/2019 15:04

I will dispute it purely on the grounds that 'woman' is a noun. Ask any TRA or well-meaning supporter for a definition of this noun and you either get tumbleweed or 'a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman'.

Here's the thing: you'd never get away with defining a table as 'a thing that anyone thinks is a table', so fuck off with your inability to define 'woman'. Because they and we all know their inability is purely because it shoots dead their TWAW mantra.

nauticant · 18/09/2019 19:57

Q: What is a table?

A: It's a thing which is table-y.

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