First Trans Pride in London this weekend

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49447918

Quoting Get the L Out
But the actual issues that mean there are a serious clash of rights is not being represented clearly or fairly by the Beeb.
It’s not about feminists just being meanies FFS.
Also the organisers of this Pride/protest have a raised fist on their promo for their event .

I wonder how many people have turned up.

That clenched fist alone on that black and dark green background looks aggressive and forboding.

I guess that's what they were aiming for.

Nice.

Well lets all have lots of happy fun at the secret (publicised), celebration (protest), under the umbrella of Pride (excluding all of the other pride members).

Is it that time again? Comes around faster every year. I can’t help thinking we just had Trans Pride though. It went on for weeks and weeks as I recall...hang on, no, ignore me, that was Pride Pride, just seemed like Trans Pride since they appeared to be the only ones centered.

I hope they all enjoyed their day.
Maybe some of them can reflect about why they wouldn't let lesbians have their own day the other weekend.

A Lesbian Strength march for exclusively homosexual females - why did trans activists object to that and counter protest? Just why?

The justification seems to be that lesbians are being exclusionary but that is simply our truth - to tell lesbians they must include males is nonsense

Yes, lesbians are lesbians that excludes as a category ither categories, like heterosexual women.

We don't need to march against them!

Women as a group excludes men as a group, and vice versa, we don't need to march against each other for being each biological sex.

We don't demand, for instance, to have prostate exams?!

But male born will need male based medical healthcare and checks or be at risk.

This is hilarious: medium.com/@TransSexEd/a-thought-about-pride-and-safety-4f811a16ec4c

"I write this in full knowledge of past events that have left trans people seriously at risk and vulnerable from the privileged members of hate groups, and from the police"

(i) if by 'privileged members of hate groups' you mean folks like the lesbians who marched in Leeds last weekend, well from the photos I saw they looked terrifying
(ii) surely the police have been fully Stonewalled and will be cheering you on with pink and blue flags and glitter?

just seen that one story on bbc news wasn't enough, they needed two. So lesbians marching isn't even a local news story (they were told) but trans pride is national x2.

Definitely no BBC bias here...

So they want to have a parade about how proud they are to be trans - but anyone who wants to photograph the parade is a violent hate group because someone might find out they're trans. Have I got that right? Or is it only photographs taken by women that are violent? Would explain the masks when attending women's events.

Quoted from the BBC:

"It is an amazing Pride and unfortunately it's a necessary Pride because trans rights are not necessarily the same as everyone else's rights," she said.

"My hope is for equality and for people to realise that we're normal, we're just like everyone else, nothing different."

I don't understand. They are the same as everyone else, but their rights aren't the same? What rights don't they have?

What rights don't they have?

They are MRAs. They want the right to enter all women's spaces without restriction.

I thought there were numbers expected in the thousands not the hundreds.

Interesting the guardian saying its speaks volumes that trans want a separate 'pride'.

I happened to be in Waterstones on Piccadilly when they went past today. It wasn’t a big protest, a couple of hundred people at best. It was mostly bemused tourists taking photos, no one else seemed to care.

Rose of Dawn was there, tweeting about it. With vids.

twitter.com/Rose_Of_Dawn/status/1172863698647560192

"Trans activist chants “We have trans rights!” before remembering that goes against the victim narrative".

twitter.com/Femme_Fhtagn/status/1172902443748868103?s=19

Inaugurating the first London Trans Pride with the ceremonial Hanging of the TERF

So was that anything to do with the trans lot, or just a shoot that happened to be going on at the time behind them?

It looked connected but can't check now - the tweet has gone.

Pride because trans rights are not necessarily the same as everyone else's rights

That’s very true. No one else has as many rights as the TRAs are demanding. Apply for ALL the awards. No matter the sex it’s intended for, play on both male and female sports teams, access all areas, even those with abused, vulnerable females in them, use violence against those pesky women but claim it was self defence because hurts words were used. Yup, they definitely don’t have the same rights as the rest of us.

Inaugurating the first London Trans Pride with the ceremonial Hanging of the TERF

Looks like the "Hanging of the TERF" was actually part of a "cowboy film" (?) photoshoot that happened to be going on at the same time.

No idea what the person tweeting the photo with that comment meant by it except that they obviously thought is was an acceptable "joke". They must have been disabused of that as it looks as if they have now gone in to hiding and have deleted their Twitter account.

Archived tweet:
archive.fo/Rxqxe

They say they were surprised by the attention that tweet received and then capitalised on it by tweeting a link to their Soundcloud. So no sense of shame or wrongdoing at all, just an expectation that this message will be so popular that they will profit from it:

soundcloud.com/wyrdsignalpodcast

It looks as their original interest in the "hanging" was connected with their spooksville-type interests:

"Podcast encountering the spectres of the 20th century via cult film, fringe literature, strange sounds and haunted landscapes."

No awareness apparently of the "haunted landscapes" of "Strange Fruit" lynchings or public hangings of demonised women as "witches"? Just a "joke" about women being murdered.

Just imagine . . . if that photo with this comment had been tweeted in connection with the Leeds Lesbian Pride March: "Inaugurating the first Leeds Lesbian Pride with the ceremonial Hanging of the Tranny" . . .

It would have been top of the BBC News, breakfast TV chats, sanctimonious editorial in The Grauniad, shock-horror features across MSM, fake trans suicide stats splattered everywhere, repetition of the lies about rampaging "TERFs" attacking trans people, a springboard for advocating GRA Reform, LGBTQ teaching in schools, and on . . . and on . . . and on . . . even when known to be Fake News.

But a jolly joke about lynching a feminist, the public execution of a woman for wrong-think? Nothing to see here. Calm down, dear!

Coming the day after trans activists were crowing over Magdalen Berns death - where is the equivalent MSM outrage??

Any news outlet and any politician that does not join the dots and condemn the normalisation of violence against feminists is complicit.

of course they are aware. this ma'am is very well-read

uk.linkedin.com/in/lucy-catherine-brady-868389106

www.lapsuslima.com/portraits-of-a-desert-father-surrealist-contributions-to-the-saint-anthony-tradition/

These reports of violence and threats are the trans version of Iraq WMD’s.

That's it isn't it?

It's just total manipulation to get their way.

Is there even one example of a trans person being physically attacked by a feminist woman? One?

Or do they just hate women so much that even the mere presence of a woman in their vicinity is an 'assault'?

We're just here to celebrate our identity and seek our rights, and joke about murdering women who don't bow down to us.

Whatever. We're here to point out the steaming hypocrisy and male abusers. Oddly enough, we can do it without violence or even threats.

Actually I'm furious about that. That's joking about murdering women. It's in plain fucking sight. You want actually illegal hate speech and imagery, there it is. That's who this movement is. That's what this movement stands for. And they're wholly open about it.

Fuck. That.

I don't understand. They are the same as everyone else, but their rights aren't the same? What rights don't they have?

What they don't have is a solid understanding of what other people mean by rights, or what international law means by rights. They're divining a principle and overextending it, and because they only have a very rough idea of the principle they've misapplied it in a really unhelpful direction.

Since we're on the subject of what rights people don't have yet, I was absolutely appalled recently when I discovered "right to bodily autonomy" is absent from the declaration of human rights. We all assume we already have it, but legally? We don't. Not yet.

The legal system of human rights was conceived and written and implemented by patriarchy. It's got disadvantaging women built into it on multiple levels. That's why they're allowed to invoke "freedom of speech" rights and we're not - because our right not to be faced with death threats disguised as jokes isn't an agreed human right.

I don't understand. They are the same as everyone else, but their rights aren't the same? What rights don't they have?

It all becomes clear once you realise that it's got nothing to do with actual rights.

So called trans rights = trans demands.

Like so much of their agenda it's a power play.

Yep, terry - and the missing link that the = symbol obscures is "expectation".

A demand is an expectation of how others will behave, forcefully expressed, yes? It's the force that makes an assertion into a demand.

A right is an expectation of how others will behave, which we're currently being taught that we ought to have and so must assert. Degree of force variable and at the discretion of the individual.

Oppressor class therefore latches onto the language of "rights" as an effective mechanism for making unreasonable demands.