First Trans Pride in London this weekend

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49447918

Quoting Get the L Out
But the actual issues that mean there are a serious clash of rights is not being represented clearly or fairly by the Beeb.
It’s not about feminists just being meanies FFS.
Also the organisers of this Pride/protest have a raised fist on their promo for their event .

My first thought when I saw the Trans Pride London image was that it resembled the feminist raised fist symbol?

I hope they have a good peaceful march.

I'm assuming that acceptance without exception means that we #genderfree will be occupying a prime place in this wondrous march of the overlords underdogs?

The Trans Overlords
I like that.
It is perfectly apt.

Already all the Pride celebrations and Pride month was taken over by trans rights

Oh, come on, that's a little unfair. The pups were also there.

I'm really confused as to why they expect violence?

I'm not.

Organisations attending all Pride events this year have all written extensive risk assessments for "what to do if TERFs come". One city (not London) pride event, a fairly small one, had 30 pages of risk assessment just for TERFs.

Everybody is being whipped up to expect angry violent TERFs despite a complete lack of evidence. This of course is a handy strategy to direct attention away from and excuse the actual threats and violent acts of TRAs.

It's a chilling, effective and very deliberate strategy imo.

Yes, and worst of all is it works.

I hope everyone just ignores them. I don't mind them marching, I just mind when they want to stop me marching, or meeting with other women, or try destroying single sex services, and try changing the meaning of words and making everyone play a giant game of "let's pretend" so they can do their extended cosplay.
Marching up and down the square is fine, the exercise will do them good.

Organisations attending all Pride events this year have all written extensive risk assessments for "what to do if TERFs come". One city (not London) pride event, a fairly small one, had 30 pages of risk assessment just for TERFs.

There's a petty little part of me that thinks we should turn up en masse with badges and hi-vis vests declaring us to be "TERF observers". And then just... observe. Peacefully. At a slight distance, watching. Totally grey-rocking any attempts at antagonism.

It would fuck 'em right off.

Like I said, it's a petty part of me. I'm not saying anyone should actually do this. But the visual does amuse me.

Actually it's very very easy to manage the T bunch of harridans. Just respect women and girls' rights and they'll fuck right off.

A fist can also be used for wanking... though not by women...

I think we should ignore the lot of them in fact have meetings at the opposite end of the country have your March in London I'm having gin in Glasgow

I wonder how many transmen will be on the march.

How many over the age of 25 at least rubidium.

I'm wondering if they'll all be masked or if that's just for when they're harassing women.

I can't see it looking any different from a general Pride parade tbh. Saturation point is close if not already reached.
So sick of glitter, pink and blue, leather, rainbows and all the other tosh.

Although there will be more speeches on suicide I'm guessing.

Adds "angry violent TERF protesters" to the list of stuff that never happens.

Nice to see TRAS get a protest march, after complaining so much about lesbians protesting at pride.

TRAs really hate women don't they?

When is any journalist going to investigate these claims of violence and threat?

These reports of violence and threats are the trans version of Iraq WMD’s.

It’s blatant manipulation, covered by the thinnest of veils, easily pulled aside by any journalist who would do some digging and some statistical analysis.

The raised fist symbol is an old symbol, normally meaning strength and solidarity in struggle, or similar. I've just googled and it may have originated during the Spanish civil war.

I don't see them using it as big deal, not relative to the other stuff they do.

The fist symbol is just another thing they have stolen/appropriated from feminist and civil rights movements. I don't think the gay rights movement used it / but I could be wrong?

When, when has a t*rf ever committed violence against anything but special feelings?

One example? Anyone?

As well as changing the meaning of man and woman this movement wants to change the meaning of violence too.

They'll be no counter protest (unlike when the lesbians marched in Leeds) because it's fine to gather in specific groups. They will have a nice peaceful march I'm sure.

🤷‍♀️

I’m glad there’s a Trans Pride March. They’ve every right to celebrate themselves. I’m sure they’ll be Transwomen out-womanning every one of us. Showing us how to pout, preen, walk in heels, apply our make-up, spend thousands on surgery and wigs and be totally fabulous. And I hope they’ll celebrate all the bound young trans men too, flaunting their scars and celebrating their body hair. And the only threat to their safety, if it arises at all, will come from where it always does - from men. I hope it passes off peacefully and that they have a ball. I honestly do. I just wish they afforded women the same space to protest, celebrate and debate too but hey ho.

I noticed how many trans men were featured in that article.

Zero.

Well done BBC: you know which sex to erase, don’t you?

Since 1919 the clenched fist salute has been the symbol adopted by all communist parties throughout the world, Bolsheviks called it the red salute (also used by others like the Communards, the french revolutionaries, Mao tse-tung, black panther party, black lawyers for justice, et al)

Language thats appropriated and repeatedly used to describe something its not; calling communism , anti-fascism,/anti-colloniallism - revolution, liberation/ freedom - the party, the peace movement, and dictatorship of the proletariat, democracy! A tool of the communist movement.

The words are used to create an effect not to provide explanation or truth in search of understanding (Aesopian)

A lie told often enough becomes the truth - Lenin

Using language not as defined in the dictionary is a tool and weapon to deceive and manipulate reality, as defined, in the dictionary under Aesopian language - Webster’s Third New International Dictionary of the English Language Unabridged defines.

“Aesopian” - “language only understood by those indoctrinated in such verbiage.” Possony

A link to an article discussing clenched fist salutes, their origins, and intentions, where used, with intentions, and misappropriated unintentionally, fist bumps, etc.

www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17739105

Any parallels?

I guess also the ‘solidarity’ message we are supposed to take from the appropriative raised fist is part the constant inappropriate presentation of this ‘struggle’ to terrible historical injustices, and the solidarity message is also a motif of that authoritarian way that ‘allies’ are always demanded to actively support the TRA agenda, on pain of being terrible transphobe, and underlying sense of not being safe themselves if they do not.

Again, in what way is this like other historical injustices? what rights are lacking for trans people in the UK that other people in the UK currently have?

Some of the shit I have seen ‘cis allies’ tweeting lately (like that we have to get rid of all prisons ) is so fucking ridiculous that it’s almost like their moral overlords are just taking the piss and seeing how far they can push the handmaidenly loyalty.

Sorry, that should have read:

I guess also the ‘solidarity’ message we are supposed to take from the appropriative raised fist is part the constant inappropriate presentation of this ‘struggle’ as being the equivalent to terrible historical injustices