Vox article on rise of TERFS!

[thegiantgirl]

www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical

Just came across this article on Facebook, Vox page. Aside from being extremely badly written is also a terrible representation of what gender critical means comparing it to being a white supremacist! I can’t formulate a good response right now I’m too angry 😡

not sure why my link isn’t working?

Links have to be enclosed with two pairs of square brackets i.e. and .

www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical

www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical

It works on the app - links never work on the first post of a thread from the browser for some reason (possibly an anti spam strategy).

Womens march london shared this. Bizarre for a feminist page

It's written by Katelyn Burns. 'nuff said.

A lot of things are bizarre right now. Not sure Women’s March are a feminist group....

I didn't read the whole thing because it was waffly but they're right about one thing.
Gender critical feminism is on the rise, hugely so IMO.
I thought all the direct quotes from WoLF were also useful, like the one below.

Legally redefining ‘female’ as anyone who claims to be female results in the erasure of female people as a class,” WoLF wrote in its SCOTUS brief. “If, as a matter of law,anyonecan be a woman, thenno oneis a woman, and sex-based protections in the law have no meaning whatsoever.”

There'll be plenty of people who'll read that and realise it makes a great deal of sense while wondering where the hate is.

Personally, I went from unquestioning trans ally to 'oh shit we have a problem' on the basis of articles like that one. TRAs are their own worst enemy.

Yes, GC feminist are exactly like white supremacists whose principles descend from slave traders holding Black people as PROPERTY — because GC feminists fight to preserve the rights women spent centuries fighting men to obtain so that women would no longer be treated as PROPERTY in law and custom, something TW have never been subjected to on the basis of gender or sex.

Oh wait. No, sorry. It’s exactly the inverse.

TW are making a land-grab of women’s spaces and set-asides.As colonizers do: what we have made, they must now have for themselves. The fruits of our labour is now to be theirs, and the names we call ourselves and the language we use to describe our experiences is to be dictated by them.

TW are male supremacists.

I’m okay with funeral directors being exempt from sex discrimination laws.

There are some professions where people should expect to dress in a traditional manner. Dealing with the bereaved would be one of them.

The article is so badly written it flits from point to point without actually discussing any of them properly. I can’t work out if she really thinks this is what gender critical feminists think or she is deliberately misrepresenting this viewpoint? Also reading the comments is deeply disheartening.

Apparently us here on mumsnet are the epicentre of something.

Who knew it

Jeez that’s a boring read full of waffle blah blah

I never read the comments.

Couldn’t be arsed after reading the piece.

What also stands out to me is the gall of using MichFest as an example of a horrible trans-exclusionary women only event which was managed to be shut down due to pressure from trans activists. One of those activists, Dana Rivers, then went on to murder a lesbian couple (who apparently were regular attendees at the festival) and their son.

I'm always baffled when crap like this makes the claim that radical feminists advocate violence towards trans people and then gives a paragraph of examples, none of which involves violence at all, and often is just simple disagreement.

Still, in amongst the accusations of racism and other unsubstantiated claims, I am always amused by them giving copious space to quotes from those accused of the terrible crimes of prioritizing women and girls. Even with the waffle narrative, the sense in the quotes stand out so clearly as to completely undercut Burns' atrocious written theatrics.

Yes, GC feminist are exactly like white supremacists whose principles descend from slave traders holding Black people as PROPERTY — because GC feminists fight to preserve the rights women spent centuries fighting men to obtain so that women would no longer be treated as PROPERTY in law and custom, something TW have never been subjected to on the basis of gender or sex.

Oh wait. No, sorry. It’s exactly the inverse.

This.

Ive been reading more articles like this recently, partly in a deliberate attempt to open up my personal opinion bubble. Julia Serano is a good author, i posted a link to one of hers recently, although she skirts incredibly carefully around the biology and avoids imo more exposing issues like sport. The articles vary from saying that there are hardly any gc feminists and its all dying off (actually to some extent they all try and say that) to saying that gc feminists are a huge and growing threat because they are riding on the hard right's coat tails.

What they dont say much about is probably the single most explosive moment for the british left in this - labour's all women shortlists and finding that they'd been opened to transwomen without apparent consultation. I will definitely say there was some transphobia in that reaction but there was also a moment of recognising male possession of something that was very recent, fragile, controversial and important for women. And the brutal moment of realising that either you believed that transwomen were actual women in every circumstance and without exception, or you were anathema.

As for ignoring nonbinary identities - yes, because being nonbinary appears to be a personal choice that affects the real world not at all, rather like getting a tattoo.

Oooo Katelyn Burns. At least they're still finding work. I know they were struggling.

I do think that allying with the alt right and those who would take reproductive rights from women is dreadful. I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking this.

yeah, I dont think that did us any favours tbh.

Where have 'we' allied with the alt right? Just because they also think the sky is blue doesn't mean we agree on anything else.

What apollo said.

A lot of prominent gender critical activists and feminists such as posie parker had meetings with the christian right in america. It was pretty controversial, and Its clearly an issue that is neither left wing, right wing and is cross party. I appreciate what these feminists have done to raise awareness of the trans issue, but in my opinion, palling up with groups that are anti-trans because they believe in family values, toeing the line, and women should be feminine, men should be masculine, is entirely different from the feminist perspective, and it put me off following a lot of these people

'A lot of prominent gender critical activists and feminists such as posie parker had meetings with the christian right in america'

3 I think you mean?
I'm not sure if the ins and outs but there is a lot of misinformation about that which feels silly.
Julia Long was one of the 3 I think? Lol at her being allied with USA Christian fundamentalists