The Green Party - self identifying non-males

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The Green Party being hilarious again.

www.greenparty.org.uk/people/regional-council.html

Regional Council Members:
GPRC Co-Chairs:

Self identifying Non-Male Co-Chair: Liz Carlton (Eastern Region)
Self identifying Non-Female Co-Chair: Rob Grant (West Midlands Region)

Twitter thread commenting on it.

twitter.com/blablafishcakes/status/1168769829312053253

Thought this thread was about the inanely pointless bullshit from the Greens. Why are some so keen to talk about Boris Johnson?

Well one person really - the same person who was one of the few (only?) supporters of the OP who started that nasty, and deservedly deleted, thread about Boris and Dame Barbara Windsor.

I've never voted Green and never will. It really does sound like a parody.

Honestly I still can't quite believe it's come to this but as the climate crisis doesn't really care about how you identify I'm going to go with the party that might just have a slim chance of stretching out our existence in order to resolve all this craziness

That won't be the Green Party. Do they even care about environmental issues? The Scottish version doesn't. Patrick Harvey cares more about trans issues and Andy Wightman about "land reform"(basically class warfare)

Maybe it's time to revive #guardiansongs.

(Sings: More than a self-identified non-man, more than a self-identified non-man to me...)

But if trans women are women, and trans men are men, then why can't we just call everyone a man or woman?

Or, as someone said, just give the person's name and job title?
E.g. John Smith, treasurer

What's with the unnecessary labels?

"If Aimee Challenor were still in the Greens and had been selected for the co-chair role, then Challenor would fill the self identifying non-male slot. Because Challenor does not identify as male"

I AM SO CONFUSED.

I read up on this stuff a lot, but I am honestly still just baffled by why anyone thinks this is progressive/a good idea/of any interest to anyone.

There's something about self identification and presentation. I can't quite piggle it out. When someone 'self identifies' as female, they are actually attempting to present as female. Or something.
Self IDing as non female, that's pretty clever.

I read up on this stuff a lot, but I am honestly still just baffled by why anyone thinks this is progressive/a good idea/of any interest to anyone.

It's just nonsense. I assume it's like those "you have won £2,000,000 emails". It's trying to find the most gullible people. I don't know why a political party would want to do that thought.

woman19
I wasn't aware that being a feminist meant I couldn't speak to men. Or that their opinion wasn't interesting or relevant.
DH was sitting with me, I asked what he made of the post and shared it as another opinion.
No need to police the board.

Maybe it's time to revive #guardiansongs.

And rewrite Caroline Lucas's Guardian opinion piece calling for a cabinet of women self-identifying non males to stop disastrous no-deal Brexit.

My head is almost exploding trying to understand all this nonsense, despite some of you kindly trying to explain it. Wtf Green Party. I despair at the state of things these days 😫😫😫

It's doubleplus ungood.

I don't know WTF their thought process (using that term broadly...) was in coming up with these silly phrases, but the effect is to obfuscate.

I believe the "thought process" went like this:

Greens used to have a target of 50% female candidates, chair roles etc.
Challenor & co proposed that this target and other references to sex be replaced with 'self-identified gender' in all party rules and communications and that nonbinary identities be recognised as minority identities. This actually happened, it's well documented.

Consequently, the Green Party now has a target of 50% non-male gender identities instead of the old target of 50% female sex.
Because you can't tell a person's gender identity from their sex, name or appearance, they have to use the 'self-identifying non-male' descriptor to show that they have complied with their own rules on gender-identity equality.
'Self-identifying non-female' is just for symmetry.

'Self-identifying non-female' is just for symmetry.

And to deliberately obscure the end result of such a policy.

We have a group of non-males (which might be of either sex) and a group of non-females (which might be of either sex) and no-one knows what's actually going on.

Someone just mentioned on another thread that the LibDem LGBT subgroup now comprises 11 biologically male individuals, and one female (who identifies as queer but has a male partner). No doubt several of the 11 would put themselves in the non man category, but it's not really diversity as anyone else would understand it, is it?

Exactly Barbara, as hilarious as this is, the outcome is that for Greens (and Lib Dems) a decision-making body composed entirely of males has a good gender balance provided that some of those men declare a 'non-male gender identity'.

The absolutely depraved David Challoner was an electoral agent for them. I know people here know what he was convicted of but the details are something else. Whilst I doubt the looniness of the GP knew or condoned this it’s shocking they managed to get away with hardly acknowledging the whole scandal.

Apart from here it was hardly mentioned on the main papers. Should have been a huge story. Where was the Daily Fail or the Express or even the more evil, more right wing and less high profile Breibarts or publications like Private Eye? I’m beginning to become a paranoid conspiracy theorist. This shit should have been big news. The disgraced daughter joining the Lib Dem’s should have been big news.

What does this trans lobby have on people? Why are even the conservative press silent save for a few select journalists? Is it really because they don’t want to be accused of something akin to homophobia?

And to question my own question when has the turgid Daily Mail ever been concerned about being seen as a nasty or non lefty rag? I just can’t fathom how from people not afraid to appear to be racist, sexist, xenophobic, islamaphobic (basically anything) are so reluctant to focus on utter scandals. No doubt people will point to some articles- I’ve read them myself but they’re still few and ‘soft’ in comparison. Paedo Challenor should have been a main story and instead only the most gender critical people here are aware leaving the Greenys off the hook. And Lib Dem’s. And Labour women’s officer. Tories don’t have similar but won’t point the stories out either and are on the same page and the ones in government mulling introducing the self ID crap. Need to speak to David Icke as to WTF is going on

Caucho I can't remember if The Mail was one of news outlets which carried the Challenor story but it was completely ignored by the "quality press" and the BBC.

My recollection is that it was the red tops The Sun, Mirror, Daily Record which exposed it. I can't now recall which camp The Mail was in.

And to be fair to The Mail it carries reports on violence against women and children which are never reported in the quality press.

Google would seem to suggest The Mail was in the "red top" category which reported the story immediately after his conviction.

Former GP leader Natalie Bennett on Twitter:

Our current government has a "woman problem".
Is it any wonder when they regard being female as a term for insult?
#feminism #womeninpolitics
twitter.com/natalieben/status/1170040823066636288

And as expected, she is blocking anyone who dares to point out the hypocrisy.

But if trans women are women, and trans men are men, then why can't we just call everyone a man or woman?

Tsk tsk. You forgot the last bit everyone does cos it sounds stoopid - 'non-binary identities are valid'.

Gulag for you.

How daft are the Green Party when they should be focusing on reducing the plastic band wagon that everyone is actually into - they could be a real guidance but no distractions with daft descriptions?!?!

Good news! Some sensible people have been voted into the Exec Committee today.

Are those sensible people women?
Actual women?
The traditional kind?
Or does the phrase "stunning and brave" appear?

All sensible women and men, of the biological variety. I'm hopeful...