Any sports where women have advantage over men? ... Any??

[WomanBornNotWorn]

Thinking about the repeated instances of biological men self identifying into women's teams and competitions, and how the simple fact that their being physically and socialised male gives them an unfair advantage. I think we're all on the same page here.

Does anyone have any links where trans men have competed against or in teams with men? (I've read about Patricio www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/21/patricio-manuel-trans-boxer-made-history )

I understand equestrian sports are mixed, and of course mixed doubles have always been a thing, say in tennis.

There are some moves I've seen in women's gymnastics I can't imagine a trans woman being able to achieve safely and without pain.

But I'm truly trying to think of any sports where being really female gives an unfair advantage over men.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/21/patricio-manuel-trans-boxer-made-history

Extreme distance events can suit women with their extra fat reserves and abilty to bear pain:

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/49248126

I've heard it said that women are better at long distance sea swimming due to a higher body fat ratio which means better flotation and heat retention. No idea if it's true though.

Probably anything in male/female pairs. I can't imagine most women, on skates, hefting most men in the air and catching them again.

Climbing is mixed and in many categories (not all) young women have the best strength to weight ratio to succeed.

Oh, yes, I think the long distance swimming thing is true. That's why most of the people who do crazy swims like the English Channel have been women.

That would be a fascinating area of research

Endurance, typically long distance or time events women are likely to be beating mens times soon. It just needs the support, sponsorship etc. to catch up with mens sports.

I did see an acrobatics show with three boys and a girl - she did all the pretty pretty being lifted stuff until the very last set piece where she stood and all three guys climbed onto her legs and shoulders and she carried them all at once. You could see little girls in the audience jumping up and down screaming.

Even in equestrianism I can recall a case where a woman gave a ride to a man in 3-day eventing because the horse was too powerful for her.

I think Ian Stark was the man involved but can't recall the woman rider. Might have been Virginia Leng. It was a long time ago.

And I've seen youtube videos of men doing women's gymnastics. They are annoyingly good at it, though even as a woman I cringe at the thought of some beam moves.

A healthy female athlete taking testosterone.

Doping.

Jasmine Paris holds the record for the Spine race - a two hundred and something mile race across the Pennines.

So, ultra long swimming , cycling and running- the stuff with massive endurance components rather than explosive speed?

Equestrian is at least equal in most areas. Racing could in theory give the advantage to females in some instances from a weight perspective. But in practice anyone who doesn’t make the weight just doesn’t get the ride, so a 9 stone junior trans woman jockey wouldn’t be in the position to be beaten by the 7 stone junior female jockey in a ladies race.

Gym I don’t know enough about scoring to say it’s an advantage, but I know some movements are easier at smaller heights which would suggest females have the advantage.

Ballet, although it’s not strictly speaking a sport, a trans woman would be unlikely to have the correct physiche for the female roles. And unless they trained as a female they would be unlikely to have the different skills eg en pointe. But as it’s not a competition they just wouldn’t get the role.

Ballet, although it’s not strictly speaking a sport, a trans woman would be unlikely to have the correct physiche for the female roles. And unless they trained as a female they would be unlikely to have the different skills eg en pointe. But as it’s not a competition they just wouldn’t get the role

No, they just take away the end points requirement. Because they're so special.
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To answer your question OP, I think some gymnastics. There are certain moves that are more likely to succeed with female body proportions. It's one of the reasons you get so many young gymnasts - as they get older and their bodies change the moves get harder.

That's it. No other I can think of and I have given it a LOT of thought. (I do accept the endurance ones but have no knowledge myself!)

arnold I could be mistaken but I’m sure the opposite happened with one of pippa funnels, it was deemed a man’s horse at pre pro level but went better with her. And the way xc has changed I can soon see it being an advantage to be able to ride something smaller and more agile as opposed to something bigger and stronger which will limit some men.

Certainly at a lower level I can think of just as many times being lighter or female has been an advantage as I can think of occasions being stronger or male is.

bingle I’d love to be surprised but unfortunately I’m not. Yet another area women are fucked over.

I imagine ice skating or sports that rely on flexibility. There isn't a different W in bone density is there? I'm thinking of the pressure on an ankle landing from a triple axel.

McKinnon or similar may argue that oestrogen renders a male weaker than your average women but in a recent tweet McK claimed to be genetically advantaged, I'd call it 'chromosomally' advantaged.

The Olympics next year are going to be very interesting.

Curling?

Perhaps we need to get ‘not shitting on the rights of others’ introduced as an Olympic sport. Females would win hands down

Agree that women may have some advantages in gymnastics, horse racing or equestrianism. Did not know about extreme endurance sports - although I do remember the news coverage about Jasmine Paris who won an endurance race competing against men and women. And she was breastfeeding during it so had to take time out to express milk. What about figure skating or synchronised swimming? I can’t think of anything else.

A few months ago a poster here shared an interview in The Times with Nora Monsecour, a trans dancer, but she transitioned while very young so presumably that will have influenced her physique.

Like the extreme distance cycling, climbing, swimming and running cited above, women mountaineers are regarded as equals, or better, to their make counterparts due to the endurance and mental stamina rather than the explosive, raw power nature of the sport. Julie Tullis’, Alison Hargreaves’ and Karen Darke’s (autobiographies) make interesting reading in that respect.

PS - Jasmine Paris is my hero.

@nettie434 - her partner brought their baby to her to feed at prearranged points.

Arnold Murphy Himself was the horse, Ginny Leng the rider (not exactly a faint hearted rider herself!). She swapped him because he pulled so much x-country and she couldn’t hold him, so thought he would be better suited to a man. He was very strong and Ian pretty much trusted him to keep going and pointed him in the right direction from what I remember, because even he had trouble holding him! I also remember him taking a double as a bounce at the WEG because he was so fast and powerful! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy_Himself

Wow BikeRunSki. That is impressive. An even more amazing achievement.

In general, though, men and women are at equal standing in equestrian sports, although I believe some are more dominated by one sex or the other. Racing, for example, has more male jockeys although I’m not sure of culture plays a part there? Vaulting, on the other hand, is primarily a female sport because of the gymnastic moves involved, but men and women compete together en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_vaulting