How to treat trans people.

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The narcissism of this is breathtaking. Responses are pretty unanimous, people do not appreciate being dictated to and there is mention of coercive control as a form of abuse. How does this seem reasonable to the NB posting?

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Everything was going well. Common sense brigade out in full force (not anyone's job to pander to delusions thank you very much!) Then I came across this

This is a cult and they are brainwashing children. This sort of abuse wouldn't be tolerated in any other situation. A bloody day camp for trans kids. Just because a girl wants short hair and clothes other than an uncomfortable dress does not give anyone permission to gaslight her until she drinks the bloody koolaid

What an unpleasant person. Who would want to interact with this man?

I bet the OP thought he was going to get put on the highest of all pedestals for his right on preach to the world message.

Boy did he/they misread the room.

Just because a girl wants short hair and clothes other than an uncomfortable dress

In the article the girl wears "what they call “so-called boys’ clothes.” "
So I guess that means they're really boys clothes, so if a girl wants to wear them, rather than the clothes becoming girl's clothes, the girl becomes non binary.

Yes I'm not sure who I'm more annoyed at. Twat face for spouting this narcissistic guff or Sali Hughes for pushing red lipstick on ordinary looking people.

BTW Sali's next podcast is going to address makeup during gender transition...

This, right here is exactly what will end up happening. All the stupid demands that have everyone treading on eggshells will simply end in people avoiding trans identifying individuals. And that will be as true for the trans identifying individuals that weren't making ridiculous demands as those that were.

Exactly, you just don't know if an interaction with a trans person will result in being called a bigot, a phone call from the police, loss of employment or a court summons. I know few people that take a pride in offending others but it seems a minority in the trans community are perpetually offended and just when you think you understand the rules they move the goal posts to maintain their victim status. I regularly chat to a few trans people and none of them are like this but when I see stuff like this it reminds me I need to be careful around trans people I don't already know. I do not have thoughts like this about any other minority group.

Gee whizz, that guy really is the personification of trans mentality. What a complete and utter wanker.

Twanker?

Yes, Michelleoftheresistance, good point. Coral lipstick shades are hard to pull off at the best of times. Teaming that lipstick with raging narcissism makes it even worse.

As if mansplaining wasn’t enough, now we have transplaining.

Goodness me! Grace Jones! I'd forgotten over the years just how cool, how influential, how inspirational she was.

Oh, never mind the silly twerp whimpering - what a contrast they gives with Grace!

'When you screw up, and you will...'

Oh. Do. Fuck. Off. Dear.

Repeat after me ‘that’s nice dear’. Set my grandma in good stead in the ‘gender bending’ era of the 70s.

We were watching tv at the weekend (some friend of ours ‘of a certain age’ and DS who is 15).

We went down a YouTube rabbit hole of 70s rock bands. The usual befrocked, long-haired blokes - DS was ‘ummmmm is that a woman? ‘Is that a transperson’ ‘is he - on no, she - still alive?’

We cackled then put on the New York Dolls. Son, this is back when a man could just throw on a dress and terrible make-up and no one batted an eyelid or got all political. And you could call him ‘he’ without him fainting or calling the police.

Treat?
Are trans people demanding strangers buy them chocolates or cakes when they see them now? Is this to ensure we don’t deny anyone their humanity?
If there’s going to be a ‘ how to treat middle aged women ‘ dictum, I’ll have an egg custard tart.

I love an egg custard tart.

Can it be the Portuguese type of custard tart? I love the slightly burnt bits. The sweet pastry nutmeggy kind of custard tart is also good though, obviously. All are delicious.

I bet the OP thought he was going to get put on the highest of all pedestals for his right on preach to the world message.

S’ok Buzz, they put themselves there mere hours ago...

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Coffeeandchocolate9

Your post was poetic
Center the man. Give him ever more than before. Retrain yourself to speak the lies so that you ignore your safety instincts. Do the emotional labour and don't expect us to. Budge up in your spaces and give up your nouns and your safe places. We are not the enemy, your wrong thinking brain is.

So inspired by you I made a few tweaks, hope you don’t mind my efforts:

Center the man.
Give him ever more than before.
Your instincts are something you can ignore.
Retrain your brain to speak the lies;
Do the emotional labour and don't expect us to.
We can do you better than you do.
Budge up in your spaces
And give up your nouns and your safe places.
We are not the enemy, your wrong thinking brain is.

I wonder what the drag queens would think if their 'spaces' and language were being colonised by 'pretendy' drag queens? Perhaps that's how it should be framed, that actually biology matters and lippy is actually just drag. Reframe and reclaim the language.

I think it’s a new tribe, consisting of goady, bullying, woman-hating men and kinks.

I’m gender critical. And the video got my hackles up. But I think it was the tone and choice of words, rather than the actual content. I think the content is quite reasonable. Particularly the apology thing. Apologies often do end up about the person apologising.

Good point BazzleJet.
Unless the fact that mtf pose no risk to gay men in drag means it all just becomes one happy group of men poking fun at women and dismantling our rights.

'When you screw up, and you will...'

Yes, I will, because I'd be lying. Best never to start trying then.

GirlDownUnder S’ok Buzz, they put themselves there mere hours ago..."*

I can't eyeroll hard enough.