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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How to treat trans people.

88 replies

TurboTeddy · 17/08/2019 18:03

The narcissism of this is breathtaking. Responses are pretty unanimous, people do not appreciate being dictated to and there is mention of coercive control as a form of abuse. How does this seem reasonable to the NB posting?

mobile.twitter.com/thejeffreymarsh/status/1153746913449189376

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HandsOffMyRights · 18/08/2019 09:51

'Sometimes you lot have a valid point'

You lot? What lot would that be?

FormerMediocreMale · 18/08/2019 09:51

Haha the narc getting ratio'd. People calling out coercive control, enforced speech... its fantastic!

YouJustDoYou · 18/08/2019 09:54

"Get it into your bones (their new pronouns). And when you get it wrong, because you will, don;t spend 15 minutes apologising to the trans person and then forcing the trans person to have to make you feel better...It's not about you. It's not about how you feel about their pronouns, and getting it correct. Centre the trans person, be compassionate.....and if a trans person comes out to you, it's your job to get their name right...it's your job to get the pronouns right"...

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/08/2019 09:54

Becaus a man speaks and we are all suppose the stroke his ego and tell him that he is brilliant. A woman brings up a serious issue and gets piled on.

I really wouldn’t give a shiny shit if one of my male colleagues decided to wear lippy and change his name to Doris. It’s irrelevant. But if he announces that he is a woman with a penis and wants access to woman’s changing areas and loos then we may have a disagreement. But I would be the one in ‘the wrong’ - interesting huh?

He’s a wee lad with a large ego, who needs to get over himself and realise that he isn’t special and the world doesn’t revolve around him.

littlbrowndog · 18/08/2019 09:54

Why are you telling me what to look at and write about

Compelled speech compelled thoughts

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/08/2019 09:55

True. Very true.

YouJustDoYou · 18/08/2019 09:57

I think to be safe I just won;t speak to you, because my autism means I see that stubble on your chin and I translate it instantly as "man in lipstick", and I will get in constantly wrong without meaning to. Because that's how MY brain works. But you won't catch me demanding people to change their behaviour to accomodate mine.

Propertyofhood · 18/08/2019 09:57

Yes, my first thought on watching that video was that Jeffrey needs a more blue toned lipstick to suit Jeffrey's cool complexion better. But, if Jeffrey likes it, then fair enough!

The lecture about what my 'job' is though?

No.

YouJustDoYou · 18/08/2019 09:59

He’s a wee lad with a large ego, who needs to get over himself and realise that he isn’t special and the world doesn’t revolve around him

I think this is true of pretty much all men, mostly the Great White Male Privilege.

Alwaysgrey · 18/08/2019 10:07

@YouJustDoYou people with disabilities are just making strides but there is still huge discrimination and a lack of reasonable adjustment.

Yet we’re all suddenly meant to bend and adjust to the will of a man.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/08/2019 10:11

A man who can just wipe off the lippy.

Branleuse · 18/08/2019 10:13

Id rather just not speak to this man at all tbh and dgaf about his "transition"

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 18/08/2019 10:17

I think to be safe I just won;t speak to you

This, right here is exactly what will end up happening. All the stupid demands that have everyone treading on eggshells will simply end in people avoiding trans identifying individuals. And that will be as true for the trans identifying individuals that weren't making ridiculous demands as those that were.

Life is just plain to short and the rest of us have our own problems to worry about.

Iminthewrongstory · 18/08/2019 10:24

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Iminthewrongstory · 18/08/2019 10:31

Argh - I've asked for my post to be removed - I think I accidentally misgendered. Poop.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/08/2019 10:43

I've asked for my post to be removed - I think I accidentally misgendered Crimes against humanity indeed.

Welcome to 1984 people...

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 18/08/2019 10:44

Don't think you need to worry too much about misgendering, Iminthewrongstory. Their Twitter bio says Jeffrey Marsh (so male name) goes by they/them. The rest of the bio really ties in with the embarrassingly self obsessed persona portrayed in that dreadful Tweet.

twitter.com/thejeffreymarsh?s=09

Iminthewrongstory · 18/08/2019 10:53

LOL (at me - I think 'Poop' should be the new short apology for getting pronouns wrong.) This one was confusing for me and I didn't fancy a slap on the wrist.

Revised version of what I wrote:

In their defence, at least there were only a handful of rules. When I was trying to get my head around this whole thing I happened upon an article called how to be a trans ally. It had, and I'm not exaggerating, 100 rules. I was scrolling for ages, increasingly despairing. And it all had the same tone as this clip. As Arnold says above, we all have our own problems which makes this micro-centring difficult.

I am trying to imagine Jeffrey delivering this same speech to someone who is doing an actual job, say the plumber fixing their sink.('Yeah, great, could you just hand me that spanner.)

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/08/2019 11:04

‘Poster Otherwise Othering Personage’

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 18/08/2019 11:06

Center the man. Give him ever more than before. Retrain yourself to speak the lies so that you ignore your safety instincts. Do the emotional labour and don't expect us to. Budge up in your spaces and give up your nouns and your safe places. We are not the enemy, your wrong thinking brain is.

How to treat trans people.
How to treat trans people.
LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/08/2019 11:18

That has to be a panto Dame (please??). Otherwise it’s scary.

andyoldlabour · 18/08/2019 11:23

This guy would have to be "lolcow" material over on the farm. It is almost too unbelievable but then so is McKinnon and Challenor and Madigan and they are very real.

www.powerofpositivity.com/narcissists-center-of-attention/

SisterWendyBuckett · 18/08/2019 11:32

I can't look past the lipstick - so wrong for your colouring. Soz Jeffrey.

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/08/2019 11:37

Jeff, try some Mac Plumful and put the corals down mate.

WomanBornNotWorn · 18/08/2019 11:49

The responses to the tweet are heartening ...