AGP help please

[OpheliaTodd]

If a guy has full surgery on his genitals in his quest to “become a woman” does that mean he can’t be an AGP? Because surely - sorry to be crude - in order to get the thrill and pleasure from the sight/idea of himself as a woman, he needs a dick to wank with?

Surely no balls no erection?

What the heck is going on!

Yes they become eunuchs with an extra hole next to their anus - incapable of erections surely!

My mind is boggled by that Reddit thread.

Are there really people who don't realise castrating male mammals reduces their sex drive?

Did they never have a pet neutered? Never visit a farm?

Education is clearly fucked in the western world if such basic, common knowledge is no longer understood.

I'm not sure I get it. Did they have their balls cut off, to reduce their testosterone in order to appear more female?

But hadn't realised that cutting off their balls would limit their ability to get turned on by it all?

Apparently in some people the adrenal gland takes over and makes enough testosterone for an erection. Others use viagra.

Some lose sex drive even before surgery through cross sex hormones/blockers,.
I think this might be part of what causes The RAGE.

I see much discussion about how adding progesterone to their ‘HRT’ regime helps preserve libido, but as a boring old cunty woman, my own natural progesterone has always tanked my drive (pre menstrual days and pregnancy) 🤷‍♀️

(Mostly they like progesterone because they believe it results in bigger breasts).

As so much of this sex driven, perhaps the very concept of a sudden low libido is difficult to compute. If your libido has never fluctuated, the idea that you can simply fail to get aroused over the very thing you fantasise about, might be something you can't believe. Until it happens.

That Reddit thread...

How many of them are self-medicating with hormones bought off the net?

Perhaps the girlfriend should do herself a favour and LTB. Seriously, why would you stay in a relationship like that?

And more to the point, what sort of doctor performs such a procedure without explaining the potential consequences and follow-up treatment?

Yeah. The girlfriend needs the transwidows escape committee to intervene, for sure.

From what I glean in my lurking missions to the other side, a lots of the US surgeons are trans themselves, or they go to Thailand.

To be fair to the Thai’s though, at least one of the big name surgeons over there has outright refused to get involved with any of the new-fangled half and half type operations.

What confuses me is the ordinary urologists who seem to be happy to do orchiectomies, paid by insurance, when there is no physical ailment to justify them. Presumably they take it in via a referral from some kind of Gender therapist, but it surely contradicts the ‘first, do no harm’ rule?

I'm not sure certain US surgeons are terribly fussed about 'first do no harm'. Surgery over there appears to be pretty much unregulated and cowboys abound, not just with regards to trans issues.

Highly unlikely to be a "both genitals" thing. Testicles are sometimes removed just to allow hormone treatment because the testosterone blockers aren't working well. It makes it easier to regulate hormones if you just remove the source of the T and then take estrogen

But then why keep a penis?

I can see the rationale for choosing orchiectomy only (less hormones to take, less invasive surgery and much easier recovery, some are happy to be penetrated anally or are largely asexual, and for some, being castrated might be part of the sissification fantasy, see ‘nullos’ for evidence of male weirdness).

What I struggle to understand is how professionals justify carrying it out. I take on board Arnold’s criticism of the US but there is at least one British urologist doing this out of a Spire hospital for a couple of grand.

If a MtF wanted to avoid extensive surgery and was struggling to block testosterone, I can understand just having the removal of testes to block testosterone production. The big red flag is also keeping a penis and creating a pseudo vagina that makes it about sex.

The other problem is that a person can be happy and stable on their preop prescription, and then struggle to regain that balance after surgical removal of the testes (whether that’s due to just orchiectomy or orchiectomy plus penile inversion).

I think this contributes massively to post-surgery depression.

Purely anecdotal but I know someone (HSTS rather than AGP) who believes their health and life has been ruined via NHS SRS - not because the surgery went wrong, it went exactly as expected, but because they now cannot replicate their pre surgery hormonal balance and feel old, fat and exhausted.

Surgical status should never be the deciding point between who can or cannot be in women’s spaces, sports or services because that could motivate people into having surgeries that have the potential to destroy their lives, their health and their relationships.

The line has to be no males ever, none at all.
It’s the only fair and sane place to put it.

But then why keep a penis

I can see the sense in not messing with what my Grandma would have called the "waterworks", but I'm guessing that may not be their motivation.

I can't understand why anyone would expect to have any sex drive after being castrated?

DuMondeB
I suspect Viagra plays a very prominent role in all treatments relating to transgenderism, both male and female.

Yes so if you want to remove the testes but leave the waterworks alone but don't have a pretend vagina as well if it's "not about sex"

I can't understand why anyone would expect to have any sex drive after being castrated?

If you believe TWAW then it makes sense - Women don’t have testicle-powered libido!