AGP help please

[OpheliaTodd]

If a guy has full surgery on his genitals in his quest to “become a woman” does that mean he can’t be an AGP? Because surely - sorry to be crude - in order to get the thrill and pleasure from the sight/idea of himself as a woman, he needs a dick to wank with?

Is that a variety of the incredibly common female fetish, Bobbitism?

Coughing with laughter!

Minnie I've not engaged with you before, but seriously what are you doing here? There is no campaign here; there are discussions, questions, occasionally arguments. Some MNers do campaign elsewhere and use the boards to signpost events etc.

These boards allow people to learn and share ideas. Some of that sharing has been around concerns that being a lesbian has become increasingly difficult and the trans ideology is effectively a kind of conversion therapy. However, there has also been lots of discussion about the theft of places on single-sex programmes and recognition lists, mis-quoting of equality legislation, the risks of abuse of self-id by sexual predators, and of the lasting impact of medication to delay puberty. And quite a lot more.

So if you are going to pop up and grace us with your presence, please try to be better informed.

Coughing with laughter!

Well, honestly. Penis beakers filled with fucking bleach. What else is one to do other than take the piss? Minnie will be on to vagina dentata fever dreams next.

Oh minnie, what are you smoking 😂 your posts are so...so...rofl-y.

Prude shaming women. genius. that’ll get more and more onside won’t it?

mine does have teeth 🌮 😬

Behavioral autogynephilia: arousal to the act or fantasy of doing something regarded as feminine

Urgh! So public knitting might be less passive aggressive and more public arousal?

Bleugh!

mine does have teeth

Don't eat Minnie by accident!

Minnie what in the love of vanilla fuck are you on about?

There being some clubs in London doesn't mean that fetishism is common in women.

if interest levels were reversed you lot would still be saying m2fs are fetishists and ftms are lesbians... because it suits your propaganda.

See above to my first comment.

Wow. Our whole campaign 😂😂😂 SMH

It really is worth noting that Blanchard always made it very clear that it wasn't only a sexual thing - it ended up going beyond that into a kind of love attachment. This paragraph is worth reading:

“Gender dysphoria, in young nonhomosexual males, usually appears along with, or subsequent to, autogynephilia; in later years, however, autogynephilic sexual arousal may diminish or disappear, while the transsexual wish remains or grows even stronger…One may speculate that the above developmental sequence reflects the operation, in autogynephilic men, of certain normal heterosexual behaviors. Many men, after years of marriage, are less excited by their wives than they were initially but continue to be deeply attached to them…It is therefore feasible that the continuing desire to have a female body, after the disappearance of sexual response to that thought, has some analog in the permanent love-bond that may remain between two people after their initial strong sexual attraction has largely disappeared.”

I do prefer a clean penis to unwashed one, although I wouldn’t recommend bleach...

Mumsnet prefer Zoflora.

Is that a clean penis fetishist then

littl - I told my husband about lesbians being reclassified as ‘vagina fetishists’ and he said he would proudly wear it on a t shirt.

Might get him one made for Xmas.

You lot slay me. You're ace

Minnie if you keep your penis in a cup of bleach, you're doing it wrong.

I know a few vagina fetishishts.

One of them lives with me dumonde. 😂😂

Girlunder that really cracked me up. So tea splitter 😃

I'm sure plenty of you have your own personal 'penis beaker', probably filled with bleach

Is that straight from your imagination......? Interesting!

That should have been tea spluttery. Hate autocorrect!

*Anywhere, whether it's rare or not the fact is that if interest levels were reversed you lot would still be saying m2fs are fetishists and ftms are lesbians... because it suits your propaganda

If something is true, and borne out by facts and statistics, then it is not propaganda.

You seem to be approaching this back to front........

Good Lord. It's one thing keeping your teeth in a glass by your bedside but your cock?

Minnie, your crass attempt to insult might have more merit, if they were as many women plastered across the Internet wearing men's underwear and proudly flashing their vaginas, as there are men in basques proudly displaying their penis.

It might have escaped your notice, but women can read you know.

Anyway, back to the AGP conversation...

I find Rod Fleming’s videos/writing on transsexuality interesting. Fleming is self described as having ‘Gynandromorphophilia’ which is an attraction to transwomen - he’s about as far from a gender critical feminist as it’s possible to get, yet he firmly believes in Blanchard’s typography and has read pretty much everything out there (due to it being his own special interest).

Fleming is dismissed by TRAs as a ‘chaser’ but he has clearly spent a lot of time researching the theories and reflecting on his own orientation and how it fits into them. He’s lives in the Phillipines with his MTF transsexual partner (called Sam, who he appears to adore - lots of videos of them doing ordinary couple-y touristy things).

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OAvfRzqrbr4

I’ve just noticed he’s recently made a Yaniv video, so off to watch that now (Yaniv is clearly in the third type of AGP - the ones that are into menstruation/pregnancy/lactation etc).

m.youtube.com/watch?v=QB8l3xr1Ews

if they were as many women plastered across the Internet wearing men's underwear and proudly flashing their vaginas, as there are men in basques proudly displaying their penis

I can just see it now, women in Onslow's stained vest and some Y fronts, posing like Fuckbois from Plenty of Fish and asking if you want to see their bits.

...or going round trying to retrieve sperm and rub it in their gussets to pretend they've just ejaculated.

Minnie - i'm sure you've seen plenty of women like that, right?

This Rod Fleming video on AGP and narcissistic rage feels relevant right now 🤗

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ue1-T1BpctU