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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Furries & gimp masks at Surrey Pride

136 replies

wheresmymojo · 10/08/2019 17:46

It was Surrey's first Pride recently and yet again people with sexual fetishes are latching on.

I consider myself fairly liberal - I don't give a monkeys if people want to be Furries or wear gimp masks with their own consensual sexual partners.

But nobody is discriminated against on the basis of wearing a gimp mask in their own home Hmm

Why has this suddenly become a thing? What does it even have to do with Pride anyway?

Furries & gimp masks at Surrey Pride
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applechips · 01/10/2021 23:50

I thought that for years, gay people fought to try to get people to accept that their sexual orientation wasn't a fetish

They did. And just when we have made so much progress in the UK we are now going backwards.

Being homosexual has absolutely nothing to do with fetish/kink, and it’s time LGB ditched “Pride” as a movement.

CBUK2K2 · 02/10/2021 00:07

@PurgatoryOfPotholes That’s your opinion on the matter, I disagree. One minority group should be in a good position to appreciate the struggles another group faces.

Personally it seems a fairly tenuous thing to attend a rally for either way to me, but then I guess people go to meetings because they have the same make or model of car.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/10/2021 00:11

Can you explain why it is not an example of the equivocation logical fallacy?

CBUK2K2 · 02/10/2021 00:15

@PurgatoryOfPotholes I don’t need to? I’m not saying they are the same thing? I’m saying people in one group that have faced prejudice historically should maybe be slightly more tolerant of others that still do.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/10/2021 00:45

Okay, we'll ignore your post as it rests on a logical fallacy.

Thank you for sorting this out for me.

CBUK2K2 · 02/10/2021 00:47

@PurgatoryOfPotholes No, it just differs from your ideological beliefs.

NiceGerbil · 02/10/2021 04:12

Not RTFT.

The pic in the OP. As a general woman. I immediately think DANGER! get away.

I think it's the combination of the bog standard t shirt etc. Then face covered with frankly creepy mask. And something about his posture?..

Hard to explain.

I would get the fuck away asap if I saw a man like that.

NutellaEllaElla · 02/10/2021 04:31

I'll also ignore your nonsensical post CBUK. I don't know why you think your fallacious argument should stand as legitimate in any way, but it doesn't and isn't worthy of further discussion.

This is a zombie thread. Why did you ressurect it? I wonder what googling led you to it...

NiceGerbil · 02/10/2021 04:36

Read first 3 pages.

This is yet another example of something that was for good reason being totally subverted. And other things for me.

Pride has become mainstremed and corporatised. An ex colleague was livid. He had gone to pride in early 80s when he was young. He said. Pride is about PROTEST. he hated what it's turned into. He went when it was a risk. Hostile police. Risk of violence from the public. Being outed by being seen could mean sacked from work. Family finding out and what that would mean. It was genuinely risky. How many of those who go now, would have gone then? How many of these pups and straight male fetishists? I'm betting none.
Yes pride always had an element of sexuality esp gay male. It was a fuck you to those who hated homosexuals. Leather etc has always been there. And why not? Remember Freddie in his skintight outfits, with no top and clinging jeans. And yes leather. And the moustache style that said hello I'm gay. Remember the bloke from erasure doing a massive concert in trousers with the bum bit cut out? Remember the video for relax fgs. Not niche. Mainstream. All gay men.

It was always there because gay sexuality in particular for gay men was always and still is by many. Seen as an outrage. And the 'scene' has always had a big element of open sexuality. So it's this is our thing, we know you find it deeply uncomfortable or disgusting. Fuck you. Protest. Provocative. PROUD.

now any kind of kink is a queer identify? Valid? Fetish? Straight men with bizarre inclinations are queer and need respect? Grown men dressing up in dog costumes and fucking each other? Whatever but in private surely?
And we've all seen pics with little girls and children in general engaging, being encouraged to engage with men in various creepy fetish gear.
Which brings me on to

Gay men and to a much lesser extent lesbians fought for years to shake off the child molester connection.
Now. Creepy het men dressed as fuck only knows what are merrily inviting kids at family friendly pride to pet them, talk to them, that there's nothing to worry about, this is normal and good even. This is my friend. He's a nice puppy! Would you like to stroke his fur? And we've all seen certain pictures as well.
They have colonised pride and subverting it to something really iffy. And it's harming gay men and lesbians.

Pride as an org have lost the plot. As has stonewall.

NiceGerbil · 02/10/2021 04:46

Lol at cbuk.

Yes some sexual preferences are not tolerated. And it's correct to point out again that homo/ bisexuality is not s preference but an orientation.

I've read more than one argument by queer theorists and groups / individuals that use their arguments-

That paedophilia is-

A natural sexual orientation that is misunderstood and unfairly maligned

That paedophiles are the most oppressed sexuality

That if the sex between an adult and a prepubescent child is consensual then where's the harm

That children can and do benefit from a loving relationship with an adult

Etc etc.

So where's your line? They are the most stigmatised sexuality of all. Can that be fair?

CBUK2K2 · 02/10/2021 05:25

@NiceGerbil I’m a small c conservative so as long as it’s legal (under U.K. law) and between consenting adults it’s none of my business.

Lots of religious groups would object strongly to pride, I support their right to do it (despite it seeming quite bizarre and pointless to me) purely on the grounds of freedom of expression.

On the same basis, so long as it’s not indecent I support people’s rights to dress up as a teddy bear or whatever floats their boat.

None of it’s my brand of vodka but at the same time none of its my business.

That’s where conservatives differ form leftists/liberals. Conservatives are OK with diversity of opinion where are the other groups are not.

catzwhiskas · 02/10/2021 09:20

I call on lesbians, and mothers , and women to actively avoid Pride as long at it is in thrall to an ideology that is highly suspect from many points of view. The LGBTQI plus community does not exist. Forced teaming is not working.

CreepingDeath · 02/10/2021 09:30

[quote CBUK2K2]@PurgatoryOfPotholes That’s your opinion on the matter, I disagree. One minority group should be in a good position to appreciate the struggles another group faces.

Personally it seems a fairly tenuous thing to attend a rally for either way to me, but then I guess people go to meetings because they have the same make or model of car.[/quote]
You’re seriously trying to argue that having a fetish means you are part of a minority group? Really?

What ‘struggles’ do the foot fetish people face? Maybe we should do a fundraiser.

Jaysmith71 · 02/10/2021 09:34

You’re seriously trying to argue that having a fetish means you are part of a minority group?

Do I have to link to pavement-fuckers again? Because it upset some people.

Helleofabore · 02/10/2021 10:37

Or maybe there should be a float for the males with penises masturbating in female toilets so they can be ‘celebrated’ too. They are a minority but a growing one.

NutellaEllaElla · 02/10/2021 11:04

Pavement fuckers? I must have missed it when you linked before. Sorry but, I need to know Grin

CreepingDeath · 02/10/2021 11:13

@Jaysmith71

You’re seriously trying to argue that having a fetish means you are part of a minority group?

Do I have to link to pavement-fuckers again? Because it upset some people.

Oh dear, no thanks. Just the thought of it makes my brain hurt. I sometimes wish there was a puke emoji on this site.

It never fails to surprise me what lengths men will go to get their rocks off.

Jaysmith71 · 02/10/2021 11:26

This Guy:

The Currant Bun has a whole range of them:

(Not for the squemish)

bit.ly/3uwTVyZ

Furries & gimp masks at Surrey Pride
AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 02/10/2021 11:27

@S1naidSucks

It’s blurring the boundaries and teaching vulnerable adults and children that their feelings of discomfort in bad situations. If you can’t name the danger, because that makes you a ‘bigot’, then you can’t keep yourself safe.
That's well put. I agree.
AdultHumanFemale · 02/10/2021 11:30

Haven't RTFT, but yep, Sn1aidSucks, absolutely this: If you can’t name the danger, because that makes you a ‘bigot’, then you can’t keep yourself safe.
As an educator, delivering PSHE curriculum content to children and young people, it is one of my most important objectives to ensure that pupils are able to recognise and name potential hazards and danger. This shit blurs boundaries and fogs vitally important instinct and judgement.

AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 02/10/2021 11:36

@NutellaEllaElla

I'll also ignore your nonsensical post CBUK. I don't know why you think your fallacious argument should stand as legitimate in any way, but it doesn't and isn't worthy of further discussion.

This is a zombie thread. Why did you ressurect it? I wonder what googling led you to it...

I just point out logical fallacies and then not engage with the posts.
Jaysmith71 · 02/10/2021 11:38

Interesting that the person in the snap of the Sun front page has no links to his case. Seems to be a beneficiary of the EU's "Right To Be Forgotten" law, which is a worrying precedent.

NutellaEllaElla · 02/10/2021 12:39

[quote Jaysmith71]This Guy:

The Currant Bun has a whole range of them:

(Not for the squemish)

bit.ly/3uwTVyZ[/quote]
The mind truly boggles. What is going wrong with these men?

trancepants · 02/10/2021 12:54

[quote CBUK2K2]@PurgatoryOfPotholes That’s your opinion on the matter, I disagree. One minority group should be in a good position to appreciate the struggles another group faces.

Personally it seems a fairly tenuous thing to attend a rally for either way to me, but then I guess people go to meetings because they have the same make or model of car.[/quote]
It's not an opinion. It's an actual subjective fact that sexual orientation and sexual kinks are totally different fucking things. Anyone claiming otherwise is either an utter moron or being deliberately disingenuous in order to use other people as a prop to their fetish without their informed consent.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/10/2021 13:03

Wouldn't it chafe?

Also, does he clean the pavement first? Typically pavements have dog excrement caked into them.