Furries & gimp masks at Surrey Pride

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It was Surrey's first Pride recently and yet again people with sexual fetishes are latching on.

I consider myself fairly liberal - I don't give a monkeys if people want to be Furries or wear gimp masks with their own consensual sexual partners.

But nobody is discriminated against on the basis of wearing a gimp mask in their own home

Why has this suddenly become a thing? What does it even have to do with Pride anyway?

Pride isn’t for children and it isn’t really for allies. If you cannot accept the lgbt community as it is, then that says something about the limits of tolerance.

1). Anything that takes place in a space were children aren't specifically excluded is for children because it is possible that children will be there.

2). Yes, tolerance is limited. We do not tolerate sexual behaviour around children, regardless of the sexual orientation of the people involved. That is equality.

Its all the same old arguments.
If you disagree you are right wing, probably funded by fundamentalist Christians from America.
And yes promote it as family friendly - but also say if children see anything "unsuitable" it is their parents problem and they shouldn't be there - even if you are taking over a park with a playground or parading through the centre of town.

I have never objected to the "London Sex Po" even if my husband saw odd things when he was at a Computer show next door. But that never called itself "Family Friendly".

We do not tolerate sexual behaviour around children, regardless of the sexual orientation of the people involved. That is equality

Yup. This.

And there are limits to what sexual behaviour can be exhibited in a public place, particularly around unwitting or unconsenting bystanders.

That's a common theme to the problem across the board. Under the guise of being 'tolerant' people are being asked to accept boundary violation. Its framed as cool to not have boundaries.

If you disagree you are right wing, probably funded by fundamentalist Christians from America.

I wish these American fundamentalist Christians would hurry up and throw some funding my way. I could do with the cash.

At London Pride 2018 there was a toddler with his parents next to me. The kid kept petting me and laughed every time I made noises at him. Kids dont care. Kids think it’s like a real dog. Kids just wanna pet the pups and play with them. Kids learn hate and rejection from parents.

I used to joke about how fucked society would be if master/slave fetishes had been normalised the way autogynephilia has been, and everyone was supposed to be cool with people walking around on leashes and act like they "respect" the master/slave dynamic as if the whole world was some kind of giant kink party.

I wish I could retroactively retract my joking because this is not fucking funny.

How long before people start seeking legal recognition of their pup status?

How long before people start seeking legal recognition of their pup status?

This is one of the responses to the India Willoughby tweet.

"I'm the transsexual in the pink skirt in this photo. I havent presented as myself as female for 25 years and this was a big day for me to be able to Express myself without hiding. Thank you transpride for giving me the opportunity to be able to be myself without feeling wrong."

"I'm also a human pup, this is not a kink or fetish for me this is a lifestyle, and an amazing caring and loving one too. I was to scared to present my face as female this time and being a female pup gave me the courage to step out into the light."

mobile.twitter.com/chip_pup/status/1152861967520030720

I think they're trying to imply some sort of equivalence between being a transsexual and being a 'human pup'.

How long before people start seeking legal recognition of their pup status?

I'm increasingly waiting for the first application to be a school therapy dog from one of these individuals. It's got that stupid.

I'm glad that there is a discussion about this here. I haven't seen anything about it elsewhere.

I haven't seen anything about it elsewhere.

That's because this subject is one of those which are very tightly controlled.

The kid kept petting me and laughed every time I made noises at him. Kids dont care. Kids think it’s like a real dog. Kids just wanna pet the pups and play with them. Kids learn hate and rejection from parents

But taken to extremes that's exactly how families like Fred and Rosemary West's bypassed all standards of acceptable behaviour. Before they even met both Rosemary's and Fred's families had generations of aberrant behaviour being presented as normal to children who were too young to learn to "hate and reject" aberrant behaviour.

This person might well be a million miles from that horror story but a grown man wanting children to pet him as they would pet a dog is aberrant behaviour.

Kids think it’s like a real dog

They damn well do not. They think it's a man dressed as a dog.

Also, don't these people attend universities? Do they ever learn facts, science, history these days or do they just sit around making up new genders and flags?

Universities (or some parts of some universities) are very much part of the problem. I'm sure it's not all disciplines, but lots of philosophy, literature, sociology and other such departments now teach postmodern doctrines - which as far as I can tell involves disputing the authority of any factual information at all. I came across this transcript of an interview with Susan Cox which explains it very well (link to the original interview on the page if listening is easier for you).

At London Pride 2018 there was a toddler with his parents next to me. The kid kept petting me and laughed every time I made noises at him. Kids dont care. Kids think it’s like a real dog. Kids just wanna pet the pups and play with them. Kids learn hate and rejection from parents.

Dear Person who said this: Yes, we know children think it's like a real dog. That's why you shouldn't be near them. We don't break down children's boundaries for a reason. You are that reason.

At London Pride 2018 there was a toddler with his parents next to me. The kid kept petting me and laughed every time I made noises at him. Kids dont care. Kids think it’s like a real dog. Kids just wanna pet the pups and play with them. Kids learn hate and rejection from parents.

Just.... Ew....

Why the fuck do children need to be accepting of blokes who get their rocks off by dressing up as a dog? In fact, why do adults need to be accepting of this?

No one even needs to know about your dog fetish, mate! Do what you want in the privacy of your own home, whatever does it for you, but keep it there. If no one knows, no one cares.

I wouldn’t let my child interact with someone in fetish gear!

Terrible thought - once “drag story time” is normalised, will the human pups move in to hold story time? Or a master & slave combo perhaps?

Just leaving this here - WTAF is going on with broadcasters?

https://www.change.org/p/17226147/psf/promoteorrshare?guest=existing&shortdisplayyname=A

My fetish is robust and appropriate safeguarding of children and upholding the rights of women. Yes, I'm kinky that way. Can I have a little love and respect and inclusion for my fetishes now please?

Has anyone got a resource as to why children shouldn't see fetishes? It's obvious I know but in an ideal world I could directly quote a formal, recognised document in something I'm following up.

I'm wondering if there are rules around the display of fetishes at festivals, quite honestly I'm concerned that the law seems to protect against nudity but as has been shown that you can be fully clothed and still be displaying a sexual fetish in front of children.

I feel sick at where this is gooig, all as described on this thread.
Also why do we have drag queen story time? If a man who wears a dress, make up, hair etc is also a story teller, fine but why do we need stories specifically by drag Queens?

Re: the ubiquitous of the Rainbow flag whenever Pride rolls around, I think it's going to end up being a bit like the situation with wearing a British Legion poppy in November.

Surrey Pride returns in August.

www.facebook.com/369041236456978/posts/3130058573688550/?d=n

Check the comments. I think there are a few from the organisers.

OhHolyJesus

So many Facebook posts. So little punctuation.

Mumsnet has really spoiled me!

The comments are worth the share I thought. The knee pads are for protection when crawling on all fours I believe.

twitter.com/chip_pup/status/1441814616812580871?s=21

Some people would object to pride, it seems a bit hypocritical for one group celebrating their sexual preference to try and ban others doing the same.

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Some people would object to pride, it seems a bit hypocritical for one group celebrating their sexual preference to try and ban others doing the same.

Equivocation fallacy.

The fallacy of equivocation occurs when a key term or phrase in an argument is used in an ambiguous way, with one meaning in one portion of the argument and then another meaning in another portion of the argument.

Here, you are using sexual preference to refer to both
i) sexual orientation, which is the sex class(es) of people one is sexually attracted to, i.e. homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality, and;

ii) sexual preference as in what you like to do with a sexual partner in order to achieve orgasm.

These are actually very different things, which is why precise language helps.

Knowing/inferring someone else's sexual orientation is the natural result of people of all orientations being allowed to live their lives on equal terms. For example, even the most dense among us realise that Mrs Betty Dean-Smith and Mrs Anne Dean-Smith are either lesbian or bisexual, whether they go to Pride with banners says "Lesbians of Milton Keynes" or not. It is appropriate to know that other adults are in long-term relationships with each other and share property.

That is a very different thing from finding out what the Dean-Smiths do in bed, not that Betty and Anne would ever tell you. (In your dreams, mate!)

Please do not conflate these again, it's horrifyingly homophobic.