Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate

[MrsSnippyPants]

I will never accept this 'legal fiction, it is a travesty.

your conflating safegurding practice with the clinical assessment of risk around sex offenders. please stop doing that

Nobody here is doing that and you, so far as I am aware, are not a clinician. You need to stop, Bespin. Right now.

sorry Bespin, could you just clarify something for me. I'm aware I was putting words into your mouth upthread

Do you think it's fine for someone who fantasises about raping children to be in a position of power or responsibility over children? If that was the only red flag?

LangCleg

No I do not need to stop. I suspect you are a socal worker. I am a clinician and I would never dream of contributing to such an assessment based solely on a tweet. I have and do assess this risk and I am trying to correct a lot of the misconceptions that are held about how such decisions are made. you feel that is a bad thing.

They're just fantasies about raping children. Written down as sexually titillating and shared with other people online. Bespin can't see why anyone would consider that an issue of note.

SpartacusAutisticus

at the point you respond to something I ask in a clinical manner then I will assume you understand this topic.

I am a clinician

so what?

risk assessment for safeguarding is not diagnosis. totally different in fact.

FloralBunting

no I think its a concern that would need further investigation and would look for other patterns in the real world to collerate this to those fantasys and see if the boundary between the two was being crossed.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly

OK so in what area do you think the assessment of maladaptive sexual responces is assessed then?

at the point you respond to something I ask in a clinical manner then I will assume you understand this topic

what topic?

what are you talking about Bespin?

assessing risk for the purposes of safeguarding is totally different to clinical diagnosis

Who is AM who Bespin keeps mentioning upthread?

I am not a social worker. What are your clinical qualifications, Bespin?

You need to stop. You understand nothing of the most basic child protection principles. You are doing yourself no favours here at all. For your own sake: stop.

right the original birth certificate still exists so the birth will still be recorded the GRC controls the access to that record and issues a new one which is used
As the old certificate still exists (and one can presumably get a certified copy if needs be)
Could someone potentially be a man at work and earning money and a woman on benefits even if only job seekers?
Asking for a freind.

OK so in what area do you think the assessment of maladaptive sexual responces is assessed then?

dunno, don't care

I can spray you with a load of jargon from my profession if you like

also, since we're being superior arseholes, that's not how you spell responses.

Do you think someone who has written on the internet about their fantasies of raping children should be in a position of power or authority over children?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly

you really don't get this do you. there is a difference between diagnosis and clinical risk based on an underlying mental condition. maladaptive sexualised behaviour such as pedophilia is assessed in this manner.

right I'm going home and then I'm on AL for a week can not wait.

you really don't get this do you

actual LOL

thank fuck bespin doesn't seem to actually be in a position to practice the nonsense they preach on this subject

so in what area do you think the assessment of maladaptive sexual responces is assessed then?

Do you mean "in what area is this assessment carried out" or did you actually mean the assessment of the assessment? I find your posts incredibly hard to follow.

I almost feel sorry for Bespin.

All the monitors, all the eyes on this thread, tweeting about it etc (waves). But not coming here to back Bespin up on how we're all so mean to say we might take a moment to consider the motives of someone who openly discusses their child rape fantasies on twitter.

Leaving Bespin to it. Nice allies huh?

the risk around someone who is a pedophile is always a clinical assessment of risk.

But bespin, my fictitious nursery school teacher is not in a position to conduct a clinical assessment. Most people aren't.

So what do they do? Can I refuse to employ this person based on my assessment of their risk?

Say I've got a nursery school qualification, they've got some experience, and they interview well. And then someone directs me to the rape fantasies. I can't clinically diagnose or assess them.

Can I not employ them, based on my own, personal assessment of risk? Otherwise known as safeguarding.

They've got a nursery school qualification

You're a doctor, bespin?

Just to be clear, bespin said

just for clarification as AM partner been charged with offences against children at all? I ask as you all appear to know more than me on this, if they haven't been charged with offences towards children they are not infact a pedophile.

Hence the need to challenge.

Acas:

*It's usually against the law to discriminate against a job applicant based on any of the following, known as ‘protected characteristics’:

age
disability
race
gender reassignment
marriage and civil partnership
pregnancy and maternity
religion or belief
sex
sexual orientation*

Idk, is 'paedophiliac fantasist' considered a sexual orientation?