Michael Biggs paper on the Tavistock

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Seems to have been published yesterday.

Link to pdf in the following tweet.

This paper when published will document an appalling scandal the NHS is inflicting on children.

Andrew Lewis @ lecandardnoir
Hidden trials. Suppressed results. Misleading parents and children entering trials. Ideologically driven treatments. Cover ups. You name it. #alltrials
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If this is even half accurate Carmichael should be struck off and jailed.

Worth reading.

I want to know if some bastard is ever going to turn round and say sexual function is not important, because they're not interested anyway..

Being asexual is a legitimate gender identity Datun... don't be transphobic.

Being asexual is a legitimate gender identity Datun... don't be transphobic.

I know this is sarcasm but it's a serious concern. With so many categories for everything now it's entirely feasible that children and young people will be shunted from one to another by lobbyists and self interested adults as suits.

Didn't realise that Russell Viner, of University College London, who was the chief paediatrician for the puberty blocker experiment in 2010, is now President of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.

The RCPCH has recently asked its ethics and law advisory committee to look at the ethics surrounding the rapid increase in the use of blockers to treat under 16s who identify as transgender.

So Viner is investigating himself.

Depressingly none of this is surprising to me, but seeing it all spelt out in one place rather than scattered here and there is even more sickening.

This is eugenics. Those who support it nothing but a bunch of modern day Mengeles.

I'm not prepared to pretend otherwise.

That episode seems to have been removed from the BBC website by the way, although it was there this time last year because I complained about it and was fobbed off

It's here if anyone wants to see Polly Carmichael telling a child how harmless puberty blockers are.

www.transgendertrend.com/uk-cbbc-childrens-tv-i-am-leo/

And featured in the No Outsiders lesson plans:

equalitiesplans.blogspot.com/2016/10/transgender-awareness-ks2-3-10000.html?m=1

(I've noticed that the NO website is going through a spruce up; could someone please tell me how to archive a web page please?)

It's Eugenics, it'll stop the homosexuals, the autistics and the non-comformers from reproducing, eventually leaving a generation of clean human.

Not sure about this as suragacy is being made easier and gay men are likely to be main users.

Not sure about this as suragacy is being made easier and gay men are likely to be main users.

Those are rich gay men. They are needed to maintain the veneer of liberalism.

Surrogacy isn't an option if you are a poor gay man.

Aaah rich gay men.

The only people allowed to acknowledge biological sex...

I think.these children have a right to know. I'm.sure there are age appropriate ways to discuss it with them.

I am not convinced there are. I think it's not something kids really can understand. You can explain the mechanics, but its not going to be meaningful.

Well if you are going to chemically stunt your child long term then at the very least you need to try I think.

If they dont understand then its not informed consent and none of it should go ahead.

Although if course they know that already which is why akk this stuff is so hush hush.

Seems parents put more research into what car to buy or what lap top than the ethics of gender care

These children will not be asexual by choice and self definition, they will live out the effects of having been chemically castrated.

The idiots insisting this is better than trying to help distressed children cope with their bodies and secondary sex characteristics are thinking very short term, because we will have a generation of distressed adults who will realise what they have been deprived of, how alienated they are from their peer group, and the lifelong impact this will have on them. And that's putting wholly aside the detransitioning ones distressed about a surgically scarred and altered body, and all of the ones who will be living with surgical complications and severe chronic illnesses that are likely to massively affect their earning and career potential.

For what? As a pp so well said. Because it props up the agenda of AGPs who are all about their unaffected sexual function. Take these kids out of the narrative the majority of whom are female, and it's pretty exposed: we have adult transsexuals who have always been there, and we have one hell of a lot of AGP men. Who are pushing the politics and demanding to colonise and own women. And it's hard to miss what's driving them.

If they dont understand then its not informed consent and none of it should go ahead.

A child who hasn't gone through puberty is unable to give informed consent about treatment which will result in them having no sexual function or reproductive capability as an adult. They can't give informed consent about something which they don't yet have the capacity to understand (because they haven't gone through puberty).

@NeurotrashWarrior you can archive a web page on www.archive.org

oldcrone

Which is why I said that they should be telling kids everything. If they withhold anything then they are admitting themselves that kids dont have capacity to understand and going ahead is unethical.

And if its assumed it's not appropriate to discuss it with them due to their age. Then they again arent old enough and mature enough to consent to treatment.

Either way these people know its unethical. Asking these questions would cement that fact
So why arent parents asking...and why arent they being told...

Why aren't they being told

Because it would impede an experiment and agenda of people with a vested interest in achieving specific outcomes. This paper mentions the active exclusion of negative or unwanted data.

This same group is trying to compel a national experiment in removing single sex spaces from women and in reducing safeguarding from children. This is shattering in how something so unethical, so blatantly wrong has not only been allowed to happen but actively helped along by parties in positions of ultimate trust: the NSPCC, the Health Authorities and MPs and the government in particular.

Which is why I said that they should be telling kids everything. If they withhold anything then they are admitting themselves that kids dont have capacity to understand and going ahead is unethical.

Even if they are told it doesn't make a difference. They still lack capacity to consent precisely because they haven't gone through puberty as Old Crone says.

The medics DO know and understand this - which is why they are withholding that information as to present it, just draws attention to the lack of capacity to consent.

Its like the whole 'a 12 year old can't have sex with a teacher' debate transfered over to medicine - they have been raped because they lack capacity to consent in the same way you can't say you agree to forfit your sexual function because you don't yet know what sexual function is, much less consent to its removal.

Thanks to Michael Biggs for this piece of research. It is shocking to see it laid out in the way he has, and if he is wrong then the way for GIDS to correct his errors is with complete transparency. That they haven't been transparent up until now suggests that the situation is as he has outlined, which is utterly repugnant and those involved are likely to face serious punishment, whether it be struck off, sued and/or criminal charges.

These poor poor children. I was telling my husband about it this morning, and he simply can't believe that this has been happening, it is so utterly insane.

I do hope one day that the parents are also held accountable.

How so many parents cry at the idea if their babies being made to cry with vaccination injections, who cry on their first day of school, who spend hours on trip advisor before booking a birthday meal and only ever bust one mechanic cos everyone else will rip them off, are still somehow the same parents who will allow this to be done to their children..

Makes no bloodynsense

I think some of the parents may have a lot in common with the anti-vaxxers really. Although they are accessing medicine for their kids when the anti-vaxxers are rejecting it, there is a similar conspiracy culture in their thinking around the establishment dictating treatments or diagnoses the internet says are wrong.

Thanks drspouse, google befuddled me.

I am on the "they cant understand so they can't give consent" page.

I wonder, when all this first started, if they really knew that loss of sexual function would be an issue? It seems a reasonable possibility, but they don't seem to have really spent much time thinking about the possibilities, as if it was ok to just go ahead until bad things started showing up.

I don’t know much about this subject, so thanks for the information.
Dissenting people , ie the people challenging the use of “puberty blockers” will probably be shot down as anti “choose your own ending “