Michael Biggs paper on the Tavistock

[RedToothBrush]

Seems to have been published yesterday.

Link to pdf in the following tweet.

This paper when published will document an appalling scandal the NHS is inflicting on children.

Andrew Lewis @ lecandardnoir
Hidden trials. Suppressed results. Misleading parents and children entering trials. Ideologically driven treatments. Cover ups. You name it. #alltrials
t.co/34pe8JOmvG

If this is even half accurate Carmichael should be struck off and jailed.

Worth reading.

Freedom of Information requests submitted at the end of 2018 revealed that neither GIDS nor University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust (which provides endocrinology services) kept precise records of the number of children given GnRHa

jesus. the whole thing sounds chaotic

I'm pretty sure my GP surgery has a better handle on what drugs their patients are taking

Neurotrash - that article about side effects is available only in the UK, unfortunately. Could you give us an idea of the side effects listed?

This is quite horrifying. Alarm bells should be ringing across the breadth of the medical profession.

I like the phrasing of "organisations that campaign for the transgendering of children", that phrasing could do with being in more common use I reckon, make it clear that Mermaids et al are not in the business of supporting children, but actively imposing transgender on to them.

She {Polly Carmichael} even appeared on children’s television to disingenuously promote GnRHa.

In fact, the initial results showed predominantly negative outcomes

that was 'I am Leo'

both Carmichael and the BBC should feel ashamed, and should face serious consequences for their actions here

That episode seems to have been removed from the BBC website by the way, although it was there this time last year because I complained about it and was fobbed off

Every now and then I have a rant about consent and I'm at it again. How the fuck can pre-pubescent children give informed consent to never experiencing orgasm? Even assuming that they had been advised it was a risk?

ED & early death is more complex however. A lot of men with ED also have diabetes and increased risks of cardiovascular disease & other conditions.

Likewise depression & low libido are chicken & egg and so it isn't as straightforward as causation.

Juells

Side-effects
Common or very common
Asthenia; depression; dizziness; dysuria; gastrointestinal discomfort; gynaecomastia; haemorrhage; headache; hot flush; hyperhidrosis; hypersensitivity; joint disorders; menstrual cycle irregularities; mood altered; muscle complaints; nausea; oedema; ovarian and fallopian tube disorders; pain; painful sexual intercourse; paraesthesia; pelvic pain; sexual dysfunction; sleep disorders; vulvovaginal dryness

Uncommon
Alopecia; appetite abnormal; asthma exacerbated; breast pain; chills; constipation; diarrhoea; drowsiness; dry mouth; dyspnoea; embolism; gout; hypertension; muscle weakness; skin reactions; testicular disorders; tinnitus; vision disorders; vomiting; weight changes

Rare or very rare
Abnormal sensation in eye; chest pain; confusion; diabetes mellitus; difficulty standing; fever; flatulence; hypotension; influenza like illness; memory loss; musculoskeletal stiffness; nasopharyngitis; orthopnoea; osteoarthritis; taste altered; vertigo

Frequency not known
Angioedema; anxiety; bone disorder; malaise; QT interval prolongation

Side-effects, further information
During the initial stage increased production of testosterone may be associated with progression of prostate cancer. In susceptible patients this tumour ‘flare’ may cause spinal cord compression, ureteric obstruction or increased pain.

I saw tweets last week dismissing Michael Biggs for commenting on this ‘as a sociologist’ rather than clinician. Shame these critics almost certainly won’t read this. Thanks for link redtoothbrush. I wonder what journal (looks like journal layout to me but could be wrong) will be publishing this.

Mrskeats

In the advice from NICE. On the drug. All the advice is for adults. Children are not mentioned at all

I saw tweets last week dismissing Michael Biggs for commenting on this ‘as a sociologist’ rather than clinician

And I bet they are the same people that hang off every nonsensical tweet of Sally Hines.

There are a lot of people involved in this who belong in jail.

And this drug is not for prolonged use.

How long is prolonged, I wonder.

This, on page 10, is striking and makes me wonder what kind of recourse there is for Parliamentarians to demand clarification on that earlier answer.

'Since my critique was initially posted in March (Biggs 2019a), GIDS has responded with prevarication and obfuscation. When a parliamentary question was asked on my behalf, the House of Lords was told on 22 May that the Tavistock “plans to publish the data once all of the young people in the study have reached the stage when a clinical decision is made about moving from pubertal suppressants to cross-sex hormones, which the Trust expects to occur in the next 12 months” (Blackwood 2019). Just over a month later, GIDS belatedly posted a webpage providing an update on the experiment. “The study concluded in February 2019 when the last cohort member began the next stage of therapy (cross-sex hormones) at age 17 years” (GIDS 2019b). How can these two statements be reconciled? If the study had really finished in February, coincidentally just before my critique appeared, why was Parliament told in May that it would finish in the next twelve months?'

Surely this published research will spawn a documentary and programmes and phone ins?
Perhaps we should all lobby our MPS, THE BBC, newsrooms, Womans Hour to discuss this research?

"The NHS had no justification for introducing the Dutch protocol in 2014" p1

And yet they did.

It was introduced as a general policy.

Surely this published research will spawn a documentary and programmes and phone ins?

Or, more likely it'll be buried and hidden by 70% of the media.

This is the article we all have been waiting for
All the main players are there

And on the same day this has emerged we have the Select Committee report on Enforcing The Equality Act...

Much in it which is to celebrate and will not be well received in certain quarters.

Lots to read this morning that's for sure!

Not had breakfast yet!

Michael Biggs has pursued this relentlessly and thank you to him. He also has been on the receiving end of persistent harassment just as have countless women academics but he has also persisted.

This is the unethical sterilising of a generation of vulnerable children. Every adult who advocates for this needs locking up and the key throwing away. How dare they undermine all our well developed and nuanced guidelines about safeguarding and consent just in order to promote the interests of a profoundly selfish group of adult narcissists.

Every time I think we can't uncover any more corruption and lack of ethics, yet more is revealed.

Every time I think we can't uncover any more corruption and lack of ethics, yet more is revealed

I really cannot wait for the day here a paper decides to finally print or a channel decides to finally show the depth of all this. Ideally with screen shots etc of all the people and organisations and the multiple emails, recordings of the phone calls etc are all featured to ensure that not a single one of them can chime in with " we never knew"

No one should get away with this.

Thanks for this Red and for the Equality Act thread - you're on fire today.
I'll have to save them both to read later but I can still remember Polly Carmichael's face on the Panorama (was it Panorama?) interview a few months ago. She looked like a rabbit in headlights.

Or, more likely it'll be buried and hidden by 70% of the media.
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This, although I suspect more than 70%.

Thanks Lang.
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It much time to think properly here but if for prostate cancer presumably the drugs are relatively short term use?

Endo is no more than 6 mo?

Blockers being used for several years in teens.

This is the unethical sterilising of a generation of vulnerable children. Every adult who advocates for this needs locking up and the key throwing away. How dare they undermine all our well developed and nuanced guidelines about safeguarding and consent just in order to promote the interests of a profoundly selfish group of adult narcissists.

Absolutely.

When I read this, my heart starts thumping, because I believe it's quite normal to expect treatment of this magnitude to have been thoroughly tested and studied. It's still shocking, each time I realise it isn't.

It's actually like a bunch of new students wielding a scalpel. Sickening. And is sometimes quite difficult to believe.

It's no good just firing the people responsible, they should face arrest. Otherwise they will just blithely go onto the next committee/team.

And, I believe one the most important things, is the mental stunting. I don't want to see happy, clappy kids saying they feel fine about what's happened to them. Because they have no fucking idea as they are still mentally eleven.

I want to know what these do to their brain. What it does to their maturation. Their cognitive and processing abilities.

I want to know if, as well as being infertile, and having no sexual function and having the genitals of children, are they mentally ever going to mature?

I want to know if some bastard is ever going to turn round and say sexual function is not important, because they're not interested anyway..

The irony is that for the adult narcissistic AGPs it's all about the sexual function.