may my mistress catching me in bed with her daughter

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I was just in the kids section in a bookshop and there was a collection of poems 'to live by', (presumably older kids). I was always quite fond of Roger McGough, but this really bothered me... has feminism turned me into a sour faced bore?

So it's true that even the lovely men want to fuck fuck the daughter of the person they're cheating on their wife with?

I'm being ridiculous arnt I? But I don't want either my son or daughter to read this...

I'm fucking Mary Whitehouse...

Tell me to get a grip?

"Or when I'm 104
and banned from the Cavern
may my mistress
catching me in bed with her daughter
and fearing for her son
cut me up into little pieces
and throw away every piece but one "

A man so deluded he thinks that at 104 he'll not only have a mistress (f*ck off) but that her daughter will want to have sex with him 🤣

Poems 'to live by'? Poems to learn about male entitlement from more like.

One thing I've noticed from twitter spats is how often progressive beardy blokes with dodgy misogynistic views have the word "poet" in their bio.

I think it's code for prat @nauticant

Ew.

It's that thing of an old man having a mistress being a bit edgy and to seduce the daughter even more so.

He probably admires Woody Allen.

Sadly it is just everyday misogyny in which women are sex objects in his imagination.

And even more sadly I probably wouldn't have noticed how shocking a line that really is without you pointing it out.

I am as culturally conditioned as anyone else, so otherwise dull men seem more interesting if they have a mistress. I am thinking of the effect John Major's affair with Edwina Currie had on his reputation, or Hugh Grant getting arrested when with Divine Brown.

just for a bit of context for this nonsense poem.

Let Me Die a Youngman’s Death

Let me die a youngman’s death
not a clean and inbetween
the sheets holywater death
not a famous-last-words
peaceful out of breath death

When I’m 73
and in constant good tumour
may I be mown down at dawn
by a bright red sports car
on my way home
from an allnight party

Or when I’m 91
with silver hair
and sitting in a barber’s chair
may rival gangsters
with hamfisted tommyguns burst in
and give me a short back and insides

Or when I’m 104
and banned from the Cavern
may my mistress
catching me in bed with her daughter
and fearing for her son
cut me up into little pieces
and throw away every piece but one

Let me die a youngman’s death
not a free from sin tiptoe in
candle wax and waning death
not a curtains drawn by angels borne
‘what a nice way to go’ death

Nobody's concerned about the promotion of domestic violence? She's cutting him up into little pieces.
Just like the mistress line, it's fiction, it's a poem.

Thanks Bespin, so in context he's saying he doesn't want that to happen. Makes more sense now.

The poem is called ‘How to die a young man’s death’.
Here’s the previous verse:

Or when I’m 91
with silver hair
and sitting in a barber’s chair
may rival gangsters
with hamfisted tommyguns
burst in and give me a short back and insides

I don’t think Roger McGough has secret connections to the mafia.
It doesn’t say how old his mistress is in the poem. She could well be a similar age to him, making the daughter in her 70s or 80s.
I would not have a problem with my kids reading that.

yep it's a poem about not wanting to have those things happen. but I suppose you can take it out of context and see it as the opersite.

but it does make a really good title for a thread that will get people to click on it don't it.

I mean he's saying he DOES want an 'exciting' death, rather than a boring old person death when you just get weak and frail and die in a bed. He doesn't actually want any of those things to happen but he does want the end of his life to be quick and unexpected and as a result of living if that makes sense.

It's a silly poem with crazy examples. It was one of my favourites when I was younger from a book of the nation's favourite poems. My other favourites from that book were Chocolate Cake and The Lady of Shallot.

It’s a nonsense poem...my DH wants to die at age 99 because his mistress knocks the throttle on the private jet he is piloting while giving him a BJ. Should I be outraged by the fact that this poor woman will obviously die too?

It's nonsense, like my uncle saying his preferred way to go would be to get shot in the back of the head by a jealous husband at 90. Taking the piss out of himself.

Thanks Bespin, the context changes it completely.

I am as culturally conditioned as anyone else, so otherwise dull men seem more interesting if they have a mistress. I am thinking of the effect John Major's affair with Edwina Currie had on his reputation, or Hugh Grant getting arrested when with Divine Brown

What an odd reaction. My reaction to both of them was disappointment that men who had previously seemed decent and reliable had such feet of clay.

John and Norma Major seemed to have such a strong marriage. Major's usp was his quiet integrity. The revelation lessened him in my eyes, not made him interesting.

Same with Hugh Grant. Grant was supposed to be a gentleman.

What they did lessened them, not made them more interesting.

Lass, I thought that too about John Major, and the others. Too many to mention.

I am always disappointed by the behaviour of these men and feel for their wives and family having to put up with the fall out.

As a nonsense poem, the daughter bit is telling.

I went to an event a while ago which was held by a self made multi millionare and included his family. I remember being deeply impressed by him, but couldn't work out why. It then occurred to me that it was because he was clearly with his 'original' wife. That becoming a multi millionare didn't mean he could be a total twat and 'upgrade' as he clearly regarded his wife to be pretty amazing. So i realise that i judge a man on his ability to value his wife.

I've seen Roger McGough a few times and he seems quite gentle and self-deprecating. I'm not quite sure it works quite as well with the sexes reversed, but I can imagine some women saying it. He's been in a long term marriage too.

SofaSoConfused

He probably didn't want to get run down by a red sports car either

Am I the only poster feeling a bit thick at not picking up the reference?

Although in my defence even without the rest of the poem the lines quoted were obviously not meant to be taken seriously.

Fancy railing against a slow lingering death and declining faculties.

The daughter in question is probably a pensioner - I imagine she can pick her own sexual partners.

I don’t find the ‘daughter’ bit telling.
Well, apart from the fact it tells me it’s alluding to Classical Greek myths, where the characters are always having sex with the mothers, sons, daughters, etc. in caverns and then being chopped into a thousand pieces or some other horrible death.
Poems don’t reflect the view of the poet necessarily. The poet is often not the main character or narrator. I’m thinking of Robert Browning’s ‘Porphyria’s Lover’ which is written from the point of view of a nasty character who has just murdered his lover. I don’t think Browning was an actual sadistic murderer himself.

So i realise that i judge a man on his ability to value his wife

I do that too.
It really impresses me, I suspect it does for others too.
Not that would ever be acknowledged anywhere.

Blimey. People are so .. snowflakey .. these days. It's a poem!!

He just imagining he was wants to bow out with a bang not a whimper. Live young die fast and all that.

I grow old I grow old I shall wear the bottom of my trousers rolled...

Yes. Get a grip!

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