Are feminists getting played?

[Maniak]

It makes me sad that feminists are spending so much time banging on about bathrooms in a world that has women still working for no pay, old women still more likely to be poor, surrogacy, underfunded maternity care, and poor support for carers. And other stuff.

Yes, the trans thing is annoying, but have you noticed how it always fires up before major elections? It's like Afghanistan in the 80s when the US provided just enough weapons to keep the war going so Russia would use all it's energy and get weak.

I feel like feminism is getting distracted with the trans stuff. At most, it should take up 10 percent of our feminist attention. But I rarely see feminism these days that isn't all about trans. Seriously. Do you think we're getting played here? Is trans really such a big deal?

OP: Is trans really such a big deal?

Everyone else: if it wasn't why do they try to silence you?

OP: Ha ha ha that's funny. Oh.

There are two reasons why I think this is the most important issue at the moment.

The first is littlebrowndog's question about how we can have feminism if we can't define who is - or isn't - a woman.

The second, as so beautifully illustrated just now, is the lengths some people are prepared to go to just to stop us talking about it.

And I just spent so long trying to compose something insightful that several posters beat me to it!

Also, women on here are confronted with the issue in their daily lifes, on multiple fronts.

Some see their children being 'taught' transgender ideology at school and rightly feel their kids might be gaslighted in a dangerous way (be it being led down a path of bodily harm or losing their ability to set boundaries).

Some work in women's shelters or hospitals or wards or have relatives there and see the effect the loss of protected spaces has on women.

Some have felt so intimidated by males in changing rooms that they choose not to go to the pool any more.... changing their daily lives because of it.

Some have seen the local politicians who care about feminist issues be replaced by people who openly mock and neglect women's rights and feminist policies and who center the rights of the female penis instead.

Some know women in women's sports, or who apply for women's scholarships, short lists.... And the list goes on...

This touches on so many issues in practical, daily life. If you abstain from feminism that touches on any of that, that's quite some radically curtailed 'feminism' you are left with.

Wait, what did I miss? What was OP even reported for?

Wait, what did I miss? What was OP even reported for?

Wrongspeak of some description. Who knows - its the weekend and all the adults are looking after their kids at weekends, right?

I'm not loving it, no. It's bloody awful. Because it's not confined to wankers on here reporting for women correctly identifying the male sex.

Kate Scottow was imprisoned for seven hours, separated from her breastfeeding baby, for correctly identifying the oppressing sex.

Harry the Owl was visited by the police for wrong think.

Maya Forstater was fired for non-compliance.

Posie Parker was accused of appropriating the word woman. ffs!

It's frightening. And it's not niche. Try it again. Here. Or at work. On Facebook or twitter.

The OP was sceptical that if she named famous transwomen by their correct sex, that she would be deleted. She did, and she was. Twice.

The OP was sceptical that if she named famous transwomen by their correct sex, that she would be deleted. She did, and she was. Twice.

Thank you for that explainer. So, to use the language of Kiwifarms, OP was just red pilled.

The OP was sceptical that if she named famous transwomen by their correct sex, that she would be deleted. She did, and she was. Twice.

So, the men who monitor this section of Mumsnet reporting women for making statements or voicing opinions that those men dislike.

Patriarchy in action, sisters.

So, to use the language of Kiwifarms, OP was just red pilled.

Pink pilled, if you please.

I think you meant WOMEN, Jacky.

Gosh, I wonder who reported those comments?

But there is also surrogacy and a capitalist system that is structured so that the bulk of women's work is entirely unpaid and people aren't even arguing.

Sorry whose work is unpaid? You can't claim that women do more unpaid work than men if you don't have the language to differentiate between men and women.

Caitlyn Jenner has NEVER been a man called Bruce.

Is Caitlyn Jenner going to give up the Olympic medal won as a man called Bruce? Are you saying that the medal was won under false pretences, or that any woman could have won that medal?

Pink pilled, if you please.

Is Caitlyn Jenner going to give up the Olympic medal won as a man called Bruce? Are you saying that the medal was won under false pretences, or that any woman could have won that medal?

From what I gather OP said the opposite of 'Caitlyn Jenner has NEVER been a man called Bruce' or something similar and was deleted. So she repeated that in response, annoyed for having been deleted. OP is not arguing the verbatim sentence.

LangCleg

So, to use the language of Kiwifarms, OP was just red pilled.

Pink pilled, if you please.

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Okay now I've made a mess, coffee everywhere! That was gold! 🤣

In UK, this provision exists within the GRA 2004 Explanatory Notes:

28. Subsection (2) provides amplification of subsection (1), making clear that the recognition is not retrospective, so the certificate does not rewrite the gender history of the transsexual person, and that the new gender applies for the interpretation of enactments, instruments and documents made before as well as after the issue of a certificate.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/notes/division/4

Cohle, the same people who always report correct sexing comments. That's par for the course here. You have been here a while, yes?

Oh, I see.

Gosh, I wonder who reported those comments?

Who cares? The point is there is a mechanism in place to shut women down. Reporting it should go nowhere.

the same people who always report correct sexing comments. That's par for the course

Given that UK law states that no-one can change their natural sex; and that there is no reference in any UK statute to pronoun usage, so-called 'mis-gendering' or so-called 'dead-naming' there is no legal basis for any complaint.

Add to this the fact that, according to Human Rights law, no-one's speech, expression or beliefs can be compelled by the state so cannot be written into any law, there is again no legal basis for any complaint.

What these people who complain are trying to do is compel everyone else to interact according to their rules which they have created out of nothing but their own ideas.

And, I should have made it clear that I am not just referring to Mumsnet here. I am referring to all social media channels; eg: Twitter, Facebook, etc

What these people who complain are trying to do is compel everyone else to interact according to their rules which they have created out of nothing but their own ideas.

Precisely.

Being able to 'report' women for wrong think, should not be a thing.

Focusing on who reported it, is wilfully missing the point. And no, it wasn't me, but it wouldn't matter if it was. I shouldn't be able to, for goodness sake.

Because was it hell a TRA trying to silence debate, it was a GC poster gleefully making a point.

MN's talk guidelines in relation to trans issues are perfectly clear and they are entitled to moderate their platform as they see fit.