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Are feminists getting played?

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Maniak · 26/07/2019 14:20

It makes me sad that feminists are spending so much time banging on about bathrooms in a world that has women still working for no pay, old women still more likely to be poor, surrogacy, underfunded maternity care, and poor support for carers. And other stuff.

Yes, the trans thing is annoying, but have you noticed how it always fires up before major elections? It's like Afghanistan in the 80s when the US provided just enough weapons to keep the war going so Russia would use all it's energy and get weak.

I feel like feminism is getting distracted with the trans stuff. At most, it should take up 10 percent of our feminist attention. But I rarely see feminism these days that isn't all about trans. Seriously. Do you think we're getting played here? Is trans really such a big deal?

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Floisme · 28/07/2019 18:17

The op broke the rules which are pinned at the top of the Feminism thread list. The only question deserving of a Hmm is why anyone who posts on here is surprised at the deletion.
Welcome to our world.

Datun · 28/07/2019 18:17

Because was it hell a TRA trying to silence debate, it was a GC poster gleefully making a point.

Goodness me, how foolish can you be ?

sackrifice · 28/07/2019 18:19

Because was it hell a TRA trying to silence debate, it was a GC poster gleefully making a point.

What point exactly?

Datun · 28/07/2019 18:20

Cohle

Can you explain to me why all the gender critical feminist regularly get their post reported by TRAs for correctly sexing a person, but in the case of the OP, the TRAs wouldn't do it?

merrymouse · 28/07/2019 18:22

it was a GC poster gleefully making a point.

The point being that the posts were against guidelines... which apparently they were?

I don't understand why this is being characterised as a 'gleeful' act.

JackyHolyoake · 28/07/2019 18:23

MN's talk guidelines in relation to trans issues are perfectly clear and they are entitled to moderate their platform as they see fit.

I think it is debatable in terms of international human rights law whether any state or organisation can compel the speech, expression of belief of anyone. Human rights laws are universal.

See Articles 18 and 19:

www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Datun · 28/07/2019 18:24

And I don't understand why Cohle thinks TRAs wouldn't report the OP. Why wouldn't they? She correctly sexed a person. We all do that and get reported. Why wouldn't she?

sackrifice · 28/07/2019 18:28

And I don't understand why Cohle thinks TRAs wouldn't report the OP. Why wouldn't they? She correctly sexed a person. We all do that and get reported. Why wouldn't she?

Perhaps Cohle is the one reporting all the correct sexing, but this time they didn't? So naturally assume it was one of 'us'? Whatever that means.

JackyHolyoake · 28/07/2019 18:28

What organisations can do is ask participants to exercise what that organisation deems to be good manners and express what it deems to be politeness towards each other.

What an organisation or state cannot do is breach the Human Rights of others and compel speech or belief.

JackyHolyoake · 28/07/2019 18:35

For example, to circumvent any request to express pronouns or so-called "mis-gendering" I now use 'h' or 'hself'. This way, I am complying with any request so that I can continue to participate but I am also staying true to my beliefs and freedom of expression.

Readers can interpret my use of pronouns how they choose.

FloralBunting · 28/07/2019 18:37

Hahahaha. Yes, of course. Women are banned all over the internet for using correct sex pronouns, but on FWR, we do it to ourselves to make a point. Devastating logic.

LassOfFyvie · 28/07/2019 18:39

So, the men who monitor this section of Mumsnet reporting women for making statements or voicing opinions that those men dislike

You have no idea who reported it.

JackyHolyoake · 28/07/2019 18:40

Further, women are banned all over the internet for making statements of biological and / or legal fact, but on FWR, we do it to ourselves to make a point. Devastating logic.

JackyHolyoake · 28/07/2019 18:44

You have no idea who reported it.

True .. but, given that women are so readily banned from other social media platforms for using correct sex related pronouns or for making statements of biological or legal fact, I find it impossible to believe that any woman here, knowing that such banning is so frequent, would report another woman here for doing exactly the same.

JackyHolyoake · 28/07/2019 18:47

I guess a particularly vicious kind of woman could do such a thing to another woman .. which is very unpalatable to think about.

Datun · 28/07/2019 18:51

It doesn't matter who reported it. It's irrelevant.

If it's a TRA, it's because they want to rob women of the language to describe the male/female power dynamic.

If it was a feminist making a point - they want to show how women are being robbed of the language to describe the male/female power dynamic.

The women the OP was talking about have the power to shut her up. They are powerful women. And there are loads. As many as half the population, in fact.

There completely happy to point this out themselves. Or allow us to point it out for them.

It doesn't matter to them, either way.

FloralBunting · 28/07/2019 18:53

Well, yes, I suppose the point is that the AWAs have made it so that it is indeed a deletable offence to mention reality.

JackyHolyoake · 28/07/2019 18:53

A well made point, as usual Datun. Smile

Cohle · 28/07/2019 19:06

I don't understand why Cohle thinks TRAs wouldn't report the OP. Why wouldn't they?

They could have.

Or the GC posters who trawled back through the thread to notice the deletion, drew attention to it and proceeded to gleefully claim that they are being silenced by men (whilst insisting that it doesn't matter who reported it) might have.

Datun · 28/07/2019 19:10

Oh Cohle. There is something very wrong with your outlook if you think women are gleeful about the erasure of their sex.

Either that or you still have a rather school kid mentality.

JackyHolyoake · 28/07/2019 19:10

@Cohle ... it was me who suggested that it was men who had reported the post ... are you trying to suggest it was me who reported those posts?

Floisme · 28/07/2019 19:11

Why are you so invested in who reported it? You are never going to know. This is what it's like here.

The op wasn't deleted because they were reported. They were deleted because they broke the guidelines. What is interesting is why anyone thought it wouldn't happen.

Datun · 28/07/2019 19:20

Or the GC posters who trawled back through the thread to notice the deletion, drew attention to it

Well of course I drew attention to it. What dingbattery to imagine I wouldn't!

I told the OP that if she correctly sexed a person, she would be deleted. She didn't believe me, so she did it. And was.

That wouldn't be able to happen without the rule in place that you can't correctly sex a person.

The rule is the thing.

Not being able to identify sex.

It's against guidelines.

That's the thing that's wrong.

Datun · 28/07/2019 19:21

Are you trying to imply that TRAs don't want the OP to know about that rule? Because that really wouldn't last five minutes, would it!? What would be the point? She'll get deleted the very next time she says it.

Honestly. Utter tosh.

youkiddingme · 28/07/2019 19:22

Cohle - you want to talk about who reported something whilst berating people for not talking about the bigger issues as you see them?

Just to be clear I have no idea who did.

Have you tried posting similar comments to the ones that got removed here on twitter?