Are feminists getting played?

[Maniak]

It makes me sad that feminists are spending so much time banging on about bathrooms in a world that has women still working for no pay, old women still more likely to be poor, surrogacy, underfunded maternity care, and poor support for carers. And other stuff.

Yes, the trans thing is annoying, but have you noticed how it always fires up before major elections? It's like Afghanistan in the 80s when the US provided just enough weapons to keep the war going so Russia would use all it's energy and get weak.

I feel like feminism is getting distracted with the trans stuff. At most, it should take up 10 percent of our feminist attention. But I rarely see feminism these days that isn't all about trans. Seriously. Do you think we're getting played here? Is trans really such a big deal?

@datun was it you who reported it?

No, it wasn't.

Transactivism and self I.d. serve to destroy the legally protected class of women -- you can't protect what you cant define and a class without boundaries is not a class.

That's why this is a top-down movement -- its goals serve the interests of those at the top, for instance those who don't like class-action lawsuits or having to answer questions about sex-pay gaps.

Anyone who thinks transracial and transethnic won't be next, and won't serve the same purpose, is kidding themselves.

The logical conclusion of identiarianism fractures all notions of coherent classes into individual self-defined monads, none of whom have any sense of or reason for particular solidarity with the other.

Ultimately proving Thatcher right: there is no society.

Identiarianism IS Thatcherism.

grinning at your sarcasm, @Datun!

Which bit, Jacky? I honestly meant that maniak cannot now refer to who has the power over them, because it's women. They've just tried to, and they can't.

And it wasn't me who reported them. Whoever it was, I think it's a bit of an own goal. Because it's just proving my point.

But then, trans activism is nothing if not illogical.

That's exactly what policy is for, to distribute money.

Rest assured, I would never report you, Maniak. Your view of the world is too entertaining to be silenced.

@sakura184

There are women working together in secret groups in almost every country in the name of feminism, addressing issues that specifically affect their female lives in those countries / continents.

This is a war, seeing it as such is being aware.

Just leaving this here... (poem post WW2 with some added words following strikethroughs)

First they came for the socialists intersex women, and I did not speak out—

 Because I was not a(n) <span class="line-through">socialist</span> intersex woman.

Then they came for the trade unionists women of color, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist woman of color.

Then they came for the Jews infertile women, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a(n) Jew infertile woman.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

There are women working together in secret groups in almost every country in the name of feminism, addressing issues that specifically affect their female lives in those countries / continents.

Yes there are things going on.

My analysis here is how much time and energy is taken up with trans issues. It's disproportionate. And I, like the OP, are wondering if this is an intentional part of the whole trans operation

Is there a reason you choose to post on MN feminism rather than another area of social media, Sakura?

This seems like the last place where you’re going to get posters to prioritise other issues over being gender critical.

My analysis here is how much time and energy is taken up with trans issues. It's disproportionate. And I, like the OP, are wondering if this is an intentional part of the whole trans operation.

As I said yesterday, this section of Mumsnet is about Women's Rights, so it is, of course, preoccupied with anything that is a threat to Women's Rights.

[This section is sometimes labelled with the acronym FWR: Feminism and Women's Rights]

See also the URL for this section of Mumsnet:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights

@datun I'm speechless. I thought I expected it but no actually I'm astonished.

@datun I'm speechless. I thought I expected it but no actually I'm astonished.

Indeed.

You cannot address power structures between men and women, if you can't identify who is who.

Caitlyn Jenner has NEVER been a man called Bruce.

Laurel Hubbard was NEVER a man called Gavin. They are both women and have always been women, except when they were too young to be, obviously.

And if you do it again, maniak, you'll be banned from this forum. You won't be able to ask why we are spending so much time on this issue, because you won't have a voice

This seems like the last place where you’re going to get posters to prioritise other issues over being gender critical.

You'd think.

Haha you're loving it. And fair.

Sakura if we are not allowed to define who a women is then there will be no,feminist movement or feminists for you to work with

It really is as simple as that.

Trans is an ideology part of Queer theory- it is not just a few individuals. It is an ideology that rewrites feminism into a movement for equality for everyone.

I consider this a serious threat because

1. It has resulted in the capture of democratic institutions supported by lib fems (who I said earlier were the one's who are being played
2. It has infiltrated schools and feminist projects like Let Toys Be Toys to push regressive gender stereotypes which I had believed were long gone.
3. It is pushing the damaging medicalisation and mutilation of young girls

4 It is silencing women using the police as well as on line social media and now Wikepedia. It is threatening the jobs and careers of women who speak out. It has coined new hate speech to protect trans and to vilify feminists TERF. 5. Attempts to rewrite the law have been made undercover without consultation with women. This includes plans to rewrite the Equalities Act. This has been stopped in its tracks by the focus on trans ideology.

1. The erosion of single sex spaces is still happening and the rights of women in prisons, refuges, hospitals, care etc etc being held in contempt.

I could go on. Wealthy powerful trans activists have and are working tirelessly to gain rights and influence way beyond basic human rights. The mantra has been 'No debate' Trans activism is a Trojan horse bringing with it the sex industry, surrogacy and an attack on Lesbian identity itself. No it's not very important, a trivial issue. I am proud of what we are achieving as feminists and the confidence we are gaining will serve us well in other battles.

Sakura if we are not allowed to define who a women is then there will be no,feminist movement or feminists for you to work with

Well, there will always be some Jessica Yaniv making sure we get someone to wax our balls, willingly or not, no?

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/transgender-woman-human-rights-waxing-1.5227434

Thank you Imnobody4

There is also the very significant fact that MN is one of only about 3 forums on the entire web where women can gather to discuss genderism without being silenced and banned.

What some might see as disproportionate focus is the result of the gathering of exiles onto the only island available.

Think, though, about what it means that throughout the Wild West of the whole global Internet, the ONE group that cannot freely gather to discuss threats to their definition as an oppressed class and indeed even as an ontological category are women.

If that doesn’t make you understand why feminists focus so intently on transactivism, I don’t know what will.

I dont think Datun is loving it. I know I'm not. Being aware of the sweep and scope of these issues, seeing the truth slowly dawn on other women, it's not a pleasant experience. There's a reason some of us reference Cassandra - being the ones who can see what is happening, however unbelievable it is to others, is not a happy place.

There is also the very significant fact that MN is one of only about 3 forums on the entire web where women can gather to discuss genderism without being silenced and banned.

To be fair, plenty of women are banned on here. Mainly at weekends it would seem. We have to say the right words if we want to stay.

OP didn't believe that we are constantly monitored for wrongspeak by WOMEN and MNHQ agree that this is okay and will delete any wrongspeak that those WOMEN point out?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.