Are feminists getting played?

[Maniak]

It makes me sad that feminists are spending so much time banging on about bathrooms in a world that has women still working for no pay, old women still more likely to be poor, surrogacy, underfunded maternity care, and poor support for carers. And other stuff.

Yes, the trans thing is annoying, but have you noticed how it always fires up before major elections? It's like Afghanistan in the 80s when the US provided just enough weapons to keep the war going so Russia would use all it's energy and get weak.

I feel like feminism is getting distracted with the trans stuff. At most, it should take up 10 percent of our feminist attention. But I rarely see feminism these days that isn't all about trans. Seriously. Do you think we're getting played here? Is trans really such a big deal?

Sorry. Being flippant! It would not be awesome.

Under sharia law, the differences between men and women are clearly maintained. It's the opposite of self ID. Imagine self Id in Afghanistan! It would be awesome.

Sex self-ID does nothing to challenge the gender power hierarchy though, does it. Sex self-ID just allows a woman to claim she is a man and a man to declare himself a woman. The gender power hierarchy imposed by patriarchy to sustain itself still exists.

I disagree that it is time wasting. The reform of the GRA 2004 was being progressed in the absence of any consultation with women. Women asserting themselves into that progress stalled it. We continue to stall it.

Women asserting themselves into the practice of treating children has raised all kinds of questions about what is going on.

I agree with that. In the course of this struggle women have reasserted as a political force to be reckoned with. The media and politicians tried to railroad women, and they found they couldn't, women are a force to be reckoned with. This lesson will reverberate beyond the trans issue imo.

"you can't talk about the reasons that older women are more likely to be poor if you can't talk about the issues that affect them because they are women".

They're poor because of all the unpaid work, the caring responsibilities. Why not say that directly?

Under sharia law, the differences between men and women are clearly maintained. It's the opposite of self ID. Imagine self Id in Afghanistan! It would be awesome.

It is pretty much irrelevant whether you disappear women from public spaces by explicitly prohibiting women to be there under threat of male violence or by prohibiting them from feeling safe from male violence in all public spaces by delivering them to male violence ia self ID.

via self ID

They're poor because of all the unpaid work, the caring responsibilities.

This is one of the odd things about those older men who "transition". They only seem to want to express the physical trappings of what is presented by patriarchy as femininity: hairstyles, breasts, underwear, clothes, nail varnish, accessories, footwear etc. They only ever want to look like they imagine women to be. They never want to take on the unpaid work and the caring responsibilities or any other aspects of women's lives.

You only need to read the Trans Widows threads here to understand this.

They're poor because of all the unpaid work, the caring responsibilities. Why not say that directly?

There is no point in saying that without being able to link it to the defined term woman. Of course, you can say 'People're poor because of all the unpaid work, the caring responsibilities.' And then everyone will wonder, why some people choose to do unpaid work and take on caring responsibilities, while others don't... A mistery. Impossible to address by policies.

"It is pretty much irrelevant whether you disappear women from public spaces by explicitly prohibiting women to be there under threat of male violence or by prohibiting them from feeling safe from male violence in all public spaces by delivering them to male violence ia self ID."

Please be joking.

"A mistery. Impossible to address by policies"

Unless it was a policy of paying people to do caring work. I suppose

By the way maniak, the experiment where you thought you could perhaps still have the power to refer to transwomen by their correct sex?

You've been deleted. Twice.

The ideology wants to ignore the power dynamic between men and women. It wants to blur the biological differences, so that you can't tell who is in charge.

Do you have evidence for this assertion that it is taking up all feminist energy to the neglect of everything else, please?

No I just think in the main it's about 90% trans and 10% porn.
There are other things going on too, yes.

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There is no point in saying that without being able to link it to the defined term woman.

Yes we get the issue.

And we're still saying that on reflection it doesn't merit absorbing practically all of women's feminist energy

Please be joking.

Male violence does not go away via self-ID. It cannot be correctly labelled any more, and will therefore not be accessible statistically, but it will not be gone. There are women on this board who have stopped going swimming, because they feel threatened in changing rooms they have to share with men.
The whole point of sex separated toilets was to allow women to participate in public life without threat of male violence. You know how many women get raped in India day in day out, because they have to go pee in some field, no toilet available? Why do you think this will be different in today's West, when we go back to 'no toilets for females only?' You think Westerners are more woke and less rapey than Indians or what is your rationale?

No I just think in the main it's about 90% trans and 10% porn.

Maybe try spending more time away from social media?

Social media is not all there is.

it doesn't merit absorbing practically all of women's feminist energy

It doesn't.

@Datun

Someone reported me! That's hilarious. Wow.

Unless it was a policy of paying people to do caring work. I suppose

But why would it need such a policy? Obviously half of the people are - for whatever reason - perfectly capable of choosing not to do caring work. It's a choice, isn't it?

And we're still saying that on reflection it doesn't merit absorbing practically all of women's feminist energy

It isn't, unless you experience your feminism only via social media.

I know but if gender was rendered meaningless because of trans and then the biological sex categories were redefined it would not be based on gametes (which we can't easily observe) but on social and reproductive function, most obviously sperm production and pregnancy. I mean, I'm just imagining, taking trans to its conclusion

Great, now some women are redefining childless women as non-men and non-women via the TRA long-lens.

Thanks a whole fucking lot.

Not all women are mothers... some choose it, some don't have a choice (plethora of infertility reasons), and some aren't interested in being mothers. Not having children today or in a 100 years won't change the fact that sex is split between large (female) and small gametes (male). It really isn't hard to observe in 99% of people and as the lifetime owner (since before birth) of large gametes I am a woman regardless of what lens you look through - that is a fact.

Not all women menstruate (as in menstruators), not all women have all of their reproductive anatomy (as in uterus-havers), not all women have children (pregnancy). We are still women - adult human females and have a right to retain our words. As many of us have said if we can't define ourselves we are erased from protection in law.

TRAs like to tell me that they are the same kind of woman I am - insanely dehumanizing. If we ignore or capitulate to their desires the law will see me and any other childless woman as synonymous with TW (it is already happening).

Someone reported me! That's hilarious. Wow.

It would appear so.

What has happened is that you have, in theory, offended two, or three very powerful women. Women in the public eye, who do not take kindly to you talking about their biological sex. And that is why the comment was deleted.

The comment wasn't rude, it was biologically accurate, and, I believe in at least two out of the three cases, legally accurate.

It just goes to show that feminism is becoming increasingly less necessary, when women have the power to rob you of any language that they deem problematic.

"It's a choice, isn't it?"

People choose to be accountants and still get paid to do it, so I'm not sure why choice is relevant. That's exactly what policy is for, to distribute money.

@datun was it you who reported it?

People choose to be accountants and still get paid to do it, so I'm not sure why choice is relevant.

But it is not necessary to pay anyone when individuals obviously freely choose to do it for free. As they do. Free market and all... This is neoliberalism 101, my dear.