Are feminists getting played?

[Maniak]

It makes me sad that feminists are spending so much time banging on about bathrooms in a world that has women still working for no pay, old women still more likely to be poor, surrogacy, underfunded maternity care, and poor support for carers. And other stuff.

Yes, the trans thing is annoying, but have you noticed how it always fires up before major elections? It's like Afghanistan in the 80s when the US provided just enough weapons to keep the war going so Russia would use all it's energy and get weak.

I feel like feminism is getting distracted with the trans stuff. At most, it should take up 10 percent of our feminist attention. But I rarely see feminism these days that isn't all about trans. Seriously. Do you think we're getting played here? Is trans really such a big deal?

That's down to MNHQ. It doesn't stop certain posters issuing diktats about who they think should and should not be posting or acting as if it were a private radical feminist forum set up by and for radical feminists.

Nor would it stop anyone else from saying or doing the opposite.

Anyone can say what they like. Or start any thread.

As stated elsewhere Lass

certain posters issuing diktats

They're not the boss of me now.

Or you.

Or whomever else wants to post.

MN have their rules, but I don't think they're that harsh or even dogmatic really.

It's an open, public forum. There is no blocking, muting.

I've been on threads where GC posters have deliberately posted "." etc to run down the thread to 1k messages in order to silence debate.

GC posters use the Bunbury threads to rally their mates to their support when they feel threads aren't going their way.

Posters make snide, groundless accusations about my username (a reference to a True Detective character) rather than reporting if they have any concerns...

Etc etc.

I've been on threads where GC posters have deliberately posted "." etc to run down the thread to 1k messages in order to silence debate.

Yeah, reaching nearly a thousand posts isn't silencing anything.

GC posters use the Bunbury threads to rally their mates to their support when they feel threads aren't going their way.

As can any one else.

You seem to be arguing for the fact that these views are representative.

And are just annoyed by it.

Go and start a thread. Be representative of all the people who agree with you. No one is stopping you. I'm encouraging you, in fact. I promise I won't post on it.

I will go and "play somewhere else", and that's exactly my point. Lifelong feminists leaving the MN feminist boards because they have become a name-calling echo chamber for one particular dogma isn't something you should be so delighted about.

Bloody hell wims. FGS don't encourage each other openly on a public board where anyone can post, and everyone can read. It might create an invisible force field which completely prevents any other views being heard.

I mean this one really is fucking stupid in a world where women are actually banned from Twitter, Twitter has massive block lists, and the fecking eejits who promote the anti woman shite have the ear of government to enable them to suppress women's views.

But no, FWR is somehow magically stopping the voices of the people who want to dispute women's rights by wickedly arguing against them and not shutting up if there are quite a few other women who agree with the prevailing views on FWR!!!

We truly be witches.

Lifelong feminists leaving the MN feminist boards because they have become a name-calling echo chamber for one particular dogma isn't something you should be so delighted about.

There is no delight in this. Just profound curiosity about why a certain person regularly persists in inserting h-self into conversations that they say they do not like.

I will go and "play somewhere else", and that's exactly my point. Lifelong feminists leaving the MN feminist boards because they have become a name-calling echo chamber for one particular dogma isn't something you should be so delighted about.

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Lol.

Oh wow, did I just witness my first live flounce???

I'm just going to reiterate this. I know it's my own post, but honestly.

Go and start a thread. Be representative of all the people who agree with you. No one is stopping you. I'm encouraging you, in fact. I promise I won't post on it.

Go and start it in the regular chat section. Or any other section. Don't even start it here, if the people are wrong for you.

I'm absolutely serious. If you are fed up with people seeing things through a lens you disagree with, talk to different people.

I mean, as a suggestion, it's faultless. You should love it. If I was saying what you say, I would love it.

If we are not representative of an issue that you want to talk about, go and find the people who are.

You got 15,000,000 to choose from.

Or, you know, people could just express disagreement without being told to leave? That way we could hear a range of views?

no I'm not flouncing.

Just pointing out the irony of telling people that the FWR is totally open and inclusive but that I should definitely fuck off elsewhere if I don't like it.

Which is why I and lots of other women don't post here much and is why it doesn't represent a broad spectrum of modern feminists.

Or, you know, people could just express disagreement without being told to leave? That way we could hear a range of views?

Well if they had expressed disagreement with the views, then I might agree!!

They didn't. They disagreed that the views here are representative.

There is no way, at all, to disprove that unless you ask to see how representative the other person's views are. And the only way to do that is to start a thread!

I have no idea what Cohle's views actually are, because they haven't told me. Just that mine are minority.

Or, you know, people could just express disagreement without being told to leave? That way we could hear a range of views?

I think we do hear and discuss a range of views. However, what is unacceptable is being told by some we should change the subject we have chosen to discuss in any thread.

Just pointing out the irony of telling people that the FWR is totally open and inclusive but that I should definitely fuck off elsewhere if I don't like it.

It's representative. It's obviously not representative of 100% of people.

That's the end of the story.

Why are you sitting on a board that you find reprehensible and non representative? What's the point?

I don't care if you sit here all the live long day.

But complaining and saying you don't like it and then when people say well don't use it then, and then getting annoyed?

It's just perverse.

PCohle

What are your views about the trans ideology? Perhaps we should, you know, actually discuss them and see whether or not we agree?

Which is why I and lots of other women don't post here much and is why it doesn't represent a broad spectrum of modern feminists.

That's all OK then. Start your own threads and have discussions about topics that you prefer.

• You only ever talk about trans issues

feel free to start a thread on another topic

• No, I want to talk about how bad it is you only talk about trans issue

Anyone can say what they like. Or start any thread

I'm glad you agree. This is not a private, by invitation only forum.

The thread is literally about whether or not the trans issue dominates feminist discussion to an unnecessary or unwise extent. I've come here to express my agreement with that opinion. I agree that FWR is the wrong place for me because of that very perspective.

I'm not trying to "tell anyone off" or silence anyone - just add the perspective that there are a lot of feminists who don't buy in to the MN consensus and who don't post here because of responses like this. And I think that is representative of a wider issue GC is creating in feminism.

Of course I don't expect praise for my view- I expected name calling and to be told I'm not welcome here.

For the record, this part of Mumsnet is actually labelled Women's Rights.

Given the huge threat to Women's Rights presented by transgenderist ideology, it is hardly surprising that transgenderism is frequently discussed here.

Is it?