Trans rights questions in Yaniv male genitals waxing case must be answered in Scotland. Herald. 26 Jul 19

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www.heraldscotland.com/news/17796504.trans-rights-questions-yaniv-male-genitals-waxing-case-must-answered-scotland

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The case cleaves opinion in two: either it is discriminatory of the beauticians to refuse to wax a trans woman's genitals regardless of what they look like, or it is discriminatory to force a woman to handle male genitals against her will.

Fiona Robertson, the SNP's National Women's and Equalities Convener, says Ms Yaniv is a female predator and that women predators often use their womanliness to gain access to victims.

To avoid Yaniv-style legal cases, the Scottish Government must be explicit in how the Equality Act will apply to any new law.

Wouldn't it be useful, instead of sloganeering and calling women c, for politicians and charities to give explicit, detailed answers to questions being asked? The only way to allay fears is to tackle them head-on.

She really is. I really love her contributions and have a lot of respect for her. I hope she’s ok.

I don’t know why I thought Black was working class.

She presents herself as such. Plus many non-Scots assume we are all working class because of our accents/dialect. I recall sports presenters speaking of Andy Murray as if he were from the mean streets of Easterhouse rather than comfortably middle class Dunblane.

In reality Black is from a nice part of Paisley and mummy and daddy were both teachers with daddy also running an education business. Her background is not posh in the Boris Johnson sense but she doesn't come from great hardship either.

Please note I am not criticising her for her background, my own is fairly similar, though with added parental unemployment being a child of the 80s. I am criticising her because she has no real experience of people whose backgrounds are far less comfortable than her own. Which leads to her lack of understanding. The difference between Black and me is I spent my university years working as a cleaner in a psychiatric hospital. That was a far greater education than any lecture or book could ever be.

Letters like this might not always get replies, but they are read and they will play on their conscience. They know they are being watched and I really hope that at some point, this will result in them seeing the harm they are doing

I sincerely hope so.

"I was born. I went to school. I left. I fried a fish. And now I’m an MP. "

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/09/mhairi-black-interview

Sort of.

And her grandad worked in the same shipyard as Jimmy Reid, which would make her as working class as Peter Mandelson.

(There must be a Weegie equivalent of 'mockney'.)

Plus many non-Scots assume we are all working class because of our accents/dialect.

I promise you that’s not my reason! I’m not from here ( uk )

Plus many non-Scots assume we are all working class because of our accents/dialect. I recall sports presenters speaking of Andy Murray as if he were from the mean streets of Easterhouse rather than comfortably middle class Dunblane.

This is very true.

I think all MPs should have a good chunk of experience outside politics/student life, which practically means I think MPs/MSPs should be over at least 25 years old but preferably even older. I think generally the quality of politicians is too poor.

I am tempted to think that wanting to be a politician is a bit of a red flag tbh. Perhaps it should be something like jury duty where anyone over 30 can be randomly picked and has to serve a three year term.

I liked where she brought up Mairi black calling woman cunts

I can't believe Black hasn't been called out by a range of people for calling women whose opinions she doesn't like a name she stood up and complained about being called on twitter (by people who don't like her opinions).

I can't believe Black hasn't been called out by a range of people for calling women whose opinions she doesn't like a name she stood up and complained about being called on twitter (by people who don't like her opinions).

Unfortunately I can and indeed find it all to typical of modern discourse.

Far too many people, politicians, media types, celebrities, plain old members of the public are selective in their outrage. Everything has become so tribal that whether or not someone is 'called out' depends far more on whether or not they belong to the tribe than their actual behaviour.

And that is by no means limited to trans issues.

I don’t know why I thought Black was working class. But yes, straight into politics from Uni was she?

She would love you to think that.

She is from a solidly middle class background. The daughter of 2 teachers.

So far as the accent my husband's family are from the west of Scotland from a genuine, heavy industry, working class, Council house background ( husband first to go to university) and, get this, one of the nannies I employed was from Paisley. None of them sound like her. I think there is a definite touch of Weegie Mockney.

"I was born. I went to school. I left. I fried a fish. And now I’m an MP. "

This is referring to a holiday job/ after school job. I was a hotel kitchen maid and I worked in a bookies in a working class area one summer. Neither of these give me any working class credentials.

I haven't had a reply from SNP HQ complaining about the Jeremy Hunt incident.

Woman Predators," in so far as they exist, are in nearly all cases doing it to assist/please a man. Yer Rose Wests, yer Myra Hindleys etc

Can we not go down the making excuses for female sex offenders. Female sex offenders do exist. It doesn't stop this being utter drivel. I suppose at best it's a very dim way of trying to say female predators might play on the fact women are assumed to be safe or safer.

Fiona Robertson, the SNP's National Women's and Equalities Convener, says Ms Yaniv is a female predator and that women predators often use their womanliness to gain access to victims

Fiona Robertson, the SNP's National Women's and Equalities Convener, says Ms Yaniv is a female predator and that women predators often use their womanliness to gain access to victims.

Using your penis and testicles as a pivotal point in forcing women before a tribunal is now womanliness?

🤣

Honestly, I'm running out of emoticons for this gibberish.

twitter.com/FionaSnp/status/1152600630202118145

"My view is that it's not remotely up to me to gatekeep who gets to be trans. She may well use her being trans as a weapon against other women, but that doesn't make her not trans. Female predators often use their womanhood as a way to access victims."

Other women? So Fiona actually believes that Yaniv is a predatory female. I'd call that an eccentric view, but acceptance without exception and all that, so why not.
What about 'Karen' White? Is he just a regular 'female rapist' who used his womanhood to access victims? I haven't seen any photos of White wearing a ballgown and tiara, but he seems to be a dab hand with a highlighter palette and says he's a woman, so... #nogatekeeping
Right, Fiona?

*Woman Predators," in so far as they exist, are in nearly all cases doing it to assist/please a man. Yer Rose Wests, yer Myra Hindleys etc

Can we not go down the making excuses for female sex offenders.*

It's not making excuses for female sex offenders it is pointing out that the pattern of offending is very very different between males and females.

I'm struggling to think of one case of a lone female yet if you pick up your local newspaper you will most likely be able to read of a case of a lone male.

Wasn’t there also a female who got convicted for pretending to be a man and tricking a girlfriend into sex where her girlfriend would never have done so if she were aware of her partners true sex? I am sure Fiona would agree pretending to be of the opposite sex in order to get women to sleep with you is dispicable.

Mhairi black- I did not know about her SHAMWegian displays. She's a teachers daughter from paisley masquerading as poor girl done good then? Oh haha. It'll be all bookcases,sandstone house and wee summer jobs. Playing on the ignorance of English media who'll assume our national accent is for poor people.

I did not know about the Jeremy hunt comment- she's a disgrace.

MB isn't even from Paisley. She's from Ralston. Ralston is very naice

A bit like Glasgow and Bearsden - to put it on a more global scale ;-)

Global scale 😄🙏

And the bit where Fiona Robertson saying that Yaniv was a female predator and us women use our womanly ways to abuse victims

Really??

Was it the tiara or the dress

A bit like Glasgow and Bearsden - to put it on a more global scale ;-)

Where is the evidence that women use their womanliness (whatever that is) to gain access to victims? What does she even mean?

Oh the womenliness of Jessica Yaniv, where to start?
Is it the ballgown, chicken fillets, tampon obsession, menstruation obsession, female toilet obsession, waxing obsession?
So many womanly attributes, it’s difficult to choose just one.

I suppose I was meaning where is the evidence base for the female predators Fiona Robertson refers to, who use their womanliness to access victims. Aside from JY.

Of course that reads as if I accept the premise of FR’s statement about jY regarding their sex...🤦‍♀️