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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian Article - Gender is not for others to decide

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Awning10 · 22/07/2019 17:28

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/20/our-gender-is-not-for-others-to-decide-a-bill-for-trans-people-to-self-identify-is-a-good-start

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Rubidium · 22/07/2019 21:02

Ova Here yes, I think they are Smile

OvaHere · 22/07/2019 21:04

The other type of Victorian could put an interesting twist on things though. Grin

Erythronium · 22/07/2019 21:20

How can a man watch a woman giving birth and still believe he's a woman? It's nuts.

Nothing to do with the lovely, fragrant Simona of course. She's female through and through.

NiceRadFem · 22/07/2019 21:34

OMG

"Is a Trans Victorian someone who was born in either the 20th or 21st century but identifies as having been born in the 19th? A bit like Jacob Rees Mogg? Do they campaign for their birth certificates to be changed from e.g. 1975 to 1875?" genius Rubidium GENIUS.

I totally identify as Trans Victorian.

And, although I believe your post is genius, I would respectfully argue that Victorians, with their franchise enlargement, giving women's right and rise of Trade Unions are far too open and radical for JRM... I believe he is Trans Stuart.

NotAtMyAge · 22/07/2019 21:39

It's from a month ago.

Oops! Must read more carefully.

Rubidium · 22/07/2019 21:47

She's female through and through.

Of course she is. www.paradisemusic.com.au/simona-castricum

TurboTeddy · 22/07/2019 21:49

It's from a month ago.

Oops! Must read more carefully.

Me too! Bit too quick to think the worst of the G, easily done.

Erythronium · 22/07/2019 21:51

A complete lady. Slightly scary, but still very ladylike.

I'm sure she's got a very feminine adam's apple.

IfNot · 23/07/2019 08:06

Despite the AFL declaring publicly that surgery is not a prerequisite for transgender players to participate, this is not universally understood and accepted. This leads to incidents of vilification, players being turned away and accusations of clubs fielding trans players having an unfair advantage. In my case, it’s been accusations that I’m a man – and that’s been too hurtful to ignore – triggering my trauma and dysphoria to the extent that some weeks I cannot train or play.

So.. an un-altered bloke gets upset when he plays against women and they point out he's a bloke?
Why can't he play "as a woman"(in lipstick) against other dudes? It's 2019. I'm sure they would be fine with it.

Erythronium · 23/07/2019 08:11

Because he doesn't get to use the female changing rooms then.

Erythronium · 23/07/2019 08:13

Oops, I used the right pronoun. Sorry Mumnset.

Because this very special lady doesn't get to use the female changing rooms with the other not so special ladies if She plays on the men's team.

IfNot · 23/07/2019 08:25

Sorry yes. She is very ladylike.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/07/2019 08:36

The whole point is to affirm that the babies’ genitals were an administrative mistake. I loved the sarcasm in that one - even though he had to confirm it later!

Erythronium · 23/07/2019 08:40

I'm using a capital letter for the pronoun now for these very special ladies. It highlights their specialness, and also reminds me of God, He also gets a capital letter. It's only right.

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