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Guardian article on women in sport - Holy Moley - concludes that there is a debate!

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MacaroonMama · 22/07/2019 10:34

Read it! Impressed. Will link in next comment.

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tobeforgotten · 22/07/2019 18:33

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HerFemaleness · 22/07/2019 20:33

The authors of the BMJ piece argue that it is time to end male and female sections and instead put athletes in categories based on factors such as their weight, VO2 max, physiology

Love it. How to shit on women from a great height while retaining the appearence of progressiveness. ''hey women, we know you've spent decades creating women's sports teams, pushing for women's categories and trying to get funding, training and access to facilities etc and you've made a little headway, but now we're going to take it all away. We can't scientifically justify including transwomen in women's sports because of the physical advantages so instead we're going to abolish women's sports completely and create multiple new categories, if you're lucky you might make it in to the categories for the smallest weakest athletes - maybe.''.

We're told it's a gross violation of human rights for a transwomen to compete alongside other males in the men's category, but somehow, mysteriously, if a transwoman ends up competing against males in categories that consist only of males but aren't labeled as such - that would be all hunky dory.

NotTerfNorCis · 22/07/2019 21:01

I see Sean Ingle is being ordered to recite the catechism:

Transmen are men.

Transwomen are women.

Non-binary people are valid.

nettie434 · 22/07/2019 22:04

When you use language like this [referring to men] why do I need clarification? This is as clear as it gets" [that you are being transphobic]

That really doesn't stand up to scrutiny. What was so irritating about the abuse directed at Martina, Sharron, Dame Kelly etc is that much of it came from men who are not trans. And who would not have been personally affected at all.

I'm another person who thinks Sean Ingle has actually stood up for women. He was singled out by Gabby Logan who has been as supportive as she can be for a BBC employee. Gary Lineker can go on about Brexit every day but we are told he can express personal views (often in quite robust language). Woe betide women like Jenni Murray and Gabby Logan who express their personal views politely.

Popchyk · 22/07/2019 22:22

McKinnon speaks:

twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1153413197468037121

"When people who want to write a transphobic article, this time it's Sean Ingle, want to say they spoke to a trans woman who agrees with him, it's ALWAYS AND ONLY Joanna Harper, who is a shitty assimilationist and totally supports banning trans women not in HRT.

They never ask me"

Grin
Popchyk · 22/07/2019 22:29

McKinnon again:

twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1153408747332521985

"Exactly: who are these men Sean?

I'm the most famous critic of Navratilova and her transphobia.

Who are these nebulous men?

Or did you mean trans women but are too cowardly to come out and say it?"

DodoPatrol · 22/07/2019 23:29

I’m more than ever convinced that McKinnon and Madigan are spoofs setting out to test how far they can push this daftness.

‘Pick me, Sean, I’m so much famouser than the advisor to the Olympic ! And I don’t think I should take hormones cos I’m already all grrrrl!’

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 23/07/2019 07:49

Ah Rachel. My name-giving nemesis.

You never, ever fail to live up to expectations.

(That is not a compliment, btw.)

NotBadConsidering · 23/07/2019 11:44

Well that idiot Ellis Cashmore was who Ingle was probably referring to, given he was in the BBC documentary on it.

EweSurname · 23/07/2019 11:54

Ouch

mobile.twitter.com/seaningle/status/1153400446318534661 @

Guardian article on women in sport - Holy Moley - concludes that there is a debate!
CuriousaboutSamphire · 23/07/2019 12:35

Is it just me or is NK seriously twisting in the wind there.... But I'm not talking about the science No Shit Sherlock! Grin

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