Stephen Whittle accusing GC feminists of being funded by the 'evangelical right wing'

[MrsSnippyPants]

Enlightening thread from Sarah Stuart tonight.....
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I could not give a damn what Stephen thinks...as long as they don't spread mistruths about the church being helpful to GC women. Good news. The churches either don't give a damn or are hoping trans people boost their attendence and coffers by being embraced as fully women...also the bonus of transing out the gay for these hateful fuckers.

To do it in the name of Jesus is wicked. Wicked.

Detroit, much love to you. FWIW, I've found in feminism so much of the solidarity I had hoped to find in Christianity. Not in a religious sense, but there are so many feminists I know who don't even have any kind of faith, and yet understand the basic principle I thought I had learned in Christianity, that we can be connected by something that means more than all the things we disagree on. I'm still Catholic, but I consider myself a humanist primarily, because the connectedness of our species is something I think should transcend what we believe about metaphysics.

I'm more or less with you, Floral. I find Quakers appealing for their humanist approach, and social awareness. It seems basically kind. I like kindness. However I trip up with the emphasis on commune with the holy spirit over Bible. Faith minus Bible seems unrooted and a bit scary.

I try and live a life I think would please Jesus. I fall short, but that's ok. Not as short as the pastor that suggested I ask a casino if I could have mail delivered there. It did make me laugh. Church doesn't want to help. Go ask the sinners.

I tend to find people who don't pretend to be superior and pure to be much better company and much kinder than the social clubs and businesses that pass for churches.

I tend to find people who don't pretend to be superior and pure to be much better company and much kinder

It's always been so. Puritanism is alive and well in this activism: it's always believed in beating and burning and casting women out through their warped brand of 'love'. Clare Jane Jones mentioned the 'cold dead eyes' of the 'this is for your own good': Mr Murdstone in action. Dickens was taking the mickey out of all this well over a century ago.

As mentioned above, it's rather sad when you see someone in action who has needed to reject themselves so totally that they loathe and despise anything that is associated with it. In this case, females. Whittle sees any female stupid enough to stay female as embracing the hell of disempowerment and suffering they escaped.

I do idly wonder at times that if women just embraced all this and en masse identified out of their oppression and societal role into the gender choice of freedom, power, recognition, choice, privilege (I mean I can enact a 1950s style caricature of a paternalist twit, it's not difficult) if we'd very quickly find that somehow there was this line between those who were permitted that privilege and those who were not.

And that would be biology. Because you cannot identify out of your oppression.

I must say, whenever I read anything Whittle writes, I get a real anti-women vibe. Almost like this was the reason Whittle rejected womanhood and transitioned.

Reality remains reality. That's the crux of this. All the fine words of inclusive dogma don't mean shit if you think you have to ape toxic masculine stereotypes or shit all over traumatized women to prove how kind you are.

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That's exactly what I think. When I thought that transsexuals transitioned due to a deep loathing of their bodies, I felt sorry for them - who wouldn't feel sorry for someone who could only feel 'right' after such major changes to their body.

But then I realised that most of these people didn't talk about hating their bodies, they talked about hating the social roles imposed on them because of the type of body they had. Then it just seemed bizarre to me that they would try to change their bodies to fit society rather than trying to change society to accept them the way they are.

Whittle seems to be something else again, though. Whittle seems to loathe and despise women and to think that we all just need to be put in our place and shut up.

Over. Compensation.

I keep meaning to say that as a lot of right wing evangelicals believe 'men living as women and women living as men' is a sign they're living in (their long awaited) End Days, it seems unlikely they'd side with the very women who think that's a load of ole cobblers!