Stephen Whittle accusing GC feminists of being funded by the 'evangelical right wing'

[MrsSnippyPants]

Enlightening thread from Sarah Stuart tonight.....
twitter.com/sarahstuartxx/status/1151944001290952704

They deceptively used the word gender in place of the word sex.
The outcome of that deception is the shit show we find ourselves in today.

People are waking up at last.
We must never forget the deception.

dolorsit

Excellent summary.

It's quite extraordinary that the entire issue relies upon them pretending that no one can read, write, or remember.

And everyone has to leave before questions are allowed. And those questions must be framed in certain ways. For a certain duration. And certain subjects are taboo.

And yes, Whittle is so steeped in internalised misogyny. Weren't they banging on about all sorts of sexist tropes on that thread? Painting themself as some kind of 19 century gentlemen - or women prior to transition? I can't quite remember, but it came across as the musings of someone who was inhabiting a role and needed to detach themself from reality.

And yes, Whittle is so steeped in internalised misogyny. Weren't they banging on about all sorts of sexist tropes on that thread?

Whittle was brought up in a very sexist environment. Whittle doesn't seem to have been able to break away from the sexism and misogyny Whittle was surrounded by as a child.

"[My father] was very much of the view that girls were girls and women were women," says Whittle. "I remember being on a holiday when I was about 13 and he hit my mother because she came out of the caravan wearing slacks and refused to change back into a dress."

www.theguardian.com/society/2007/apr/17/socialcare.highereducationprofile

It's striking how many "transmen" had violent abusive fathers.

Well, Stephen - given that you are cheering the rollback of women's rights, safety, privacy, dignity and actual status as human beings independent of what men decide we can think and feel, I am telling YOU that YOU are representative of the evangelical right-wing. And I am right.

How does the accusation even have merit?

It's implying that what women are saying, doing, or concerned over isn't true. And that they are being harnessed for an entirely different reason altogether.

A reason that's not really clarified. Or engaged with.

And women's actual issues aren't addressed, because someone is going to miss the 7.30 from Paddington.

It's just lazy nonsense.

Yeh yeh yeh we get it Stephen, you came on MN waffling your pseudo intellectual waffle and making your misogynistic little jokes and thought we'd all coo over you, and when it didn't go as you hoped you got the hump and now your tragically frail sense of self can only be restored by smearing us and telling outright lies.

Well everyone here remembers very clearly that you said it was fine for girls as young as 11 to share mixed sex sleeping arrangements without parental knowledge because Girl Guide leaders should be carrying condoms and emergency contraception.

So Stephen, you can go fuck yourself. HTH.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter and I didn't even have to type it myself - thanks ByGrabthar... (what a name ) . So this ^ and the final line with bells on.

Sick of hearing this shite tbh. Its misogynistic really, assuming that women cannot raise funds of their own accord, and must actually be finded by shady characters behind the scenes.

I saw a frankly odd dust-up about alleged funding of GC feminists by rightwing (evangelical?) groups from a surprising source (Prof. Cicely Marston who is a Professor of Public Health at LSHTM) - both @lecanardnoir123 @LadyPrincesexual rebuffed the assertion.

To be fair, in response to a request for evidence, CM replied that she would post sources when she found them and has since deleted some posts (I think - it's looking like swiss cheese).

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1208169645603278853

However, Cicely Marston's now posted something from Pink News as her source. I was expecting it to be a health economics audit or some sensible report (even if I disagreed with it) but Pink News? CM is a self-declared feminist whose profession is grounded in evidence-based medicine. What is happening to the evidence-based community in the UK? It's beyond depressing.

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1208185969620529152

I wish someone was funding me!

(Not really, wouldn't take evangelical money)

Whittle thinks sturdy pj's solve sexual assault and teen pregnancy, so I don't think what he says merits all that much. Classic case of internalised hyper-misogyny, that one.

Whittle comes across as the embarrassing pub bore.

I agreed with this bit though

Then Clarke spoke about the Gender Recognition Act of 2004, and how it is currently not fit for practice now

Time to scrap it.

Excellent list of people who are sponsored by right-wing evangelical money:

So, just to double check, all these people are hateful bigots, funded by far right Christian fundamentalists?

JK Rowling, David Baddiel, Hadley Freeman, Julie Bindel, Janice Turner, Graham Linehan, Helen Steel, Helen Joyce, Helen Lewis, Robert Webb, Sarah Ditum, Sonia Poulton...ane Harris, Martina Navratilova, Sharron Davies, Oliver Burkeman, Rachel Rooney, Philip Hensher, James Dreyfus, Richard Curtis, Karen Ingala Smith, Dr Kathleen Stock, Dr Jane Clare Jones, Dr Jessica Taylor, Dr Louise Moody, Dr Emma Hilton, Sarah Philimore QC, Ruth Serwotka.. (thread continues)

twitter.com/Rosa_Leeds/status/1207794878798876672

Plus a note from the LGB Alliance on how they're funded (hint, not from rightwing evangelical money):

twitter.com/AllianceLGB/status/1208175820432384000

Let's go over it again.

The TRAs are appropriating the actual experiences of those who fought against Section 28.

They are then screaming "TERF" and "GAMMON" in the ears of those who actually fought for gay rights when most of them weren't even born.

It is they who are banging on windows, intimidating, banning and behaving like fascists.

We are their grandmothers, their mothers, their aunts, their sisters.

Which group is behaving like a pack of 1930s Nazi thugs? Who s behind that?

Stephen Whittle is the perfect example of "but transmen pass".
In the picture, you can see Whittle is short. And quite slightly built. And has sleeves rolled up. I wear men's shirts myself (and I have long arms!) but without buying the tailored shorter sleeve type, the standard length sleeves are always too long. Why? Female physiology.
Jenner has long hair, wears a dress and makeup but does not pass because of height and build. Whittle has a beard and a paunch and a blokey stance but also does not pass because of build.
I've seen Whittle referred to in news reports on this subject with no reference made to the fact Whittle is trans and was born female.
I'm not interested in outing people for the sake of it but in this case it is very relevant, as one could argue (and has, on this thread), that internalised misogyny drives this individual's beliefs.

Also, I would happily take money from evangelicals, they couldn't use it on gay conversion therapy then. I'd spend it on a campervan probably.
If any evangelicals are reading and want to send me a few grand, PM me for my PayPal details. Cheers.

I am funded entirely by the money I earn by using my brain and my skills. Does Stephen not know that women can do that ?

I am funded entirely by the money I earn by using my brain and my skills.
So am I but I'd still like some extra moolah. It's too cold for tent camping in winter.

I showed that picture to DS FlyingOink having first showed him a head shot only of Stephen Whittle. I asked him who he thought had been born female and who male. He got it right.

I can't imagine having any sort of dysmorphic condition, but that picture shows quite clearly that you can't change your biology, regardless of what Mr Tayler thinks

that picture shows quite clearly that you can't change your biology
Yeah. And I think it's cruel to pretend otherwise. A lot of trans people have been lied to.

It is ableist to suggest being mentally ill makes you more likely to assault someone, unless it is a male sexually assaulting a female? Right, gotcha. I can't keep up with the instructions for being kind anymore.

Not trying to derail, but as a Guide Leader I have found some of the information in that thread. I've made comments to the Guide HQ (and received the reply..) but one thing I have been able to do is make it clear to parents that Leaders on our trips will not be carrying contraception. Our girls are underage and this is not what we are about or will facilitate.

Good grief, sexist jokes about men being allowed into the kitchen.
Sure, because none of this is based on old woman-hating stereotypes at all.

Thank you for the tweets Sarah Stuart.

In the picture, you can see Whittle is short. And quite slightly built. And has sleeves rolled up. I wear men's shirts myself (and I have long arms!) but without buying the tailored shorter sleeve type, the standard length sleeves are always too long. Why? Female physiology.

This is too much of a generalisation. Some men are short. They are still men, and it's difficult for them to get clothes to fit because the clothes are made for people of average height. Tall women and very short women have the same problem, as do very tall men.