Trans-man who gave birth is a Guardian Journalist

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Transgender man who gave birth loses high court privacy ruling

Why am I not surprised?

It seems to me that the birth certificate's purpose is to give a child a legal identity

A birth certificate is a copy of information in the register of births in the same way that a death certificate is a copy of information in the register of deaths. If you had read the thread you would realise that adoption does not change the information on the record of births, and that a short birth certificate does not give any information on parents.

just the fact that their traditional views on gender and sex are being challenged. It would be simpler to just list the parent who gave birth and the second parent, without mention of gender.

It's true that 'Mother' has different meanings to different people, but the sense used on the birth certificate just means the parent who gave birth. A birth certificate gives details about sex, not gender. Trying to impose gender on to a birth certificate is the epitomy of forcing parents into traditional gender roles, and that is why I object so strongly. McConnell clearly has a narrow view of what it means to be a man or a woman, and obviously is free to hold those beliefs. However a birth certificate does not and should not dictate gender or parental roles, it just records the facts of a birth.

I'm also confused as to why the birth certificate absolutely must list the biological mother, but the second parent apparently can be whatever. Is fatherhood somehow less valid or relevant than motherhood ?

Again, you are insisting that a birth certificate can give value or identity.

'Motherhood' is completely irrelevant to a birth certificate. The certificate is a record of birth, not a certificate of the mother's ongoing social relationship with the child. For many reasons some children do not have a relationship with their birth mother after birth.

The second parent listed on the birth certificate has a legal relationship with the child, but the nature of the mammalian reproductive process means that some males do not have a relationship with their offspring after conception, and some don't even have a relationship with the mother at conception.

Many people have parents listed on a birth certificate with whom they have no relationship, but the birth certificate doesn't change because it is an official document, not a scrapbooking memento.

But as PP have said, sounds like the GRA was invented after high powered lobbying, which was seemingly unquestioningly accepted by the government.

I thought that one of the reasons the GRA was passed was to protect the right to privacy of a person who had transitioned per human rights law. However, the existence of a birth certificate listing only a father would make it difficult not to make an accurate conclusion about biological sex.

A .middle way of this argument would be arguing that marriage would so help those gay couples who DO reproduce.

Ummm @TheJoyOfWriting why are you resurrecting a thread from 2019?

Sorry, I made a mistake. ☹️

I call bullshit on this. You have been doing this, constantly, for days now, and all you do when you get called out on it is say, “Oh sorry, I made a mistake. I promise I won’t do it again” - and then you find a new old thread to do it on.

Go bother some other forum, you are absolutely tiresome.

Personally don't, necessarily, have that much of an issue with resurrected threads; certainly not if they have been revived because of a genuine desire to learn and to discuss. New posters particularly are often advised to go back through years of threads...rather than have everything repeated all over again in a new thread. Also, it's sometimes good to be reminded of excellent threads and discussions that have taken place over the years.

You missed the bit that pops up on zombie threads just above where you post?

Hang on, Freddy McConnell has been all over the media for ages. Why does she suddenly need privacy?

Last I heard Freddie was considering doing part time home educating because the school system wasn’t suiting her kid. I read it as the child’s friends will be asking the obvious questions that adults are too polite/scared to say out loud.

My wife and I are the legal parents to 2 dc born using donated sperm. I am the biological mother. For our eldest child my wife adopted our ds as she wasn’t included on his birth certificate, the original certificate only list me as mother and a blank for the father. The law changed by the time our second child was born and on his certificate it lists me as mother and my wife as other parent.

From before our children could speak, to avoid any future confusion, I would routinely tell them that “to make a baby you need a little bit of a man and a little bit of a woman mixed together to grow in a mummy’s tummy, as we didn’t have a little bit of a man a very kind man gave us a bit of him to make you.” We have always been very open about their donors, discussed things like their heights and listed interests told them when they are grown up we will help them find them if it’s what our dc want. It’s not been complicated or confusing,for us, our dc, their friends, their schools, their friends parents. My dcs are completely chilled about it, it is their normal. Families that seem strange to outsiders are straightforward to the members.