Trans-man who gave birth is a Guardian Journalist

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Transgender man who gave birth loses high court privacy ruling

Why am I not surprised?

My mind boggles there. How can you claim to be a man, to feel like a man but also get pregnant and give birth to a child, which is the most womanly thing you can do??

The cognitive dissonance is scary there...

“Having an accurate birth certificate is vital as it stays with someone for their entire life and forms part of their identity."

Clearly that isn't true. Oh the irony.

He wants to be a man when it suits him and a woman when it suits him. If he wants to be a man then he should only be registered as such when he has a penis. As he gave birth when he had a vagina he was a woman!

So who is the actual father?

If I was a gambling person I'd put money on this madness being allowed.
Why would a person who identifies as male want to do something so obviously feminine?

It really is striking how disconnected some people are from the reality of their body. Being pregnant, giving birth and breastfeeding are the only time in my life that I felt a proper awareness that I am female. I don't mean in a gender identity sense, I mean in a "I have a female body and am doing something only a person with a female body can ever do" kind of sense. I don't have that feeling during my period, maybe because it's something I am used to, although it is true of that as well. If I was a genderist who felt that their true self was male, getting pregnant would be the last thing I would want to do, I would imagine.

This.

I haven't had a chance to read the article but who would go down as the mother on the BC? Would it be blank?

Indeed, who is the actual father?

The arrogance in this article is astounding.

I'm trying my best to have compassion here but I'm really not understanding why giving your child a lifetime of having to explain why there's no mother on their birth certificate is in their best interests. Is this about the child or about the parent? Being trans is ultimately the parent's decision - albeit not an easy one I'm sure - but it's up to the parent to carry any burden of complexities of explanation, not the child. That's what parents do.

There was a very similar court case in Germany recently.

The Court there ruled that birth certificates are for recording the truth about a child's origins, and for those purposes the mother is the person out of whose womb the child had come, regardless of the legal gender status of the person giving birth at the time of giving birth or subsequently.

Which is the only sane decision, I think.

Also, while I realise that trans people might really feel the need to change their birth certificate to create a legal fiction, it's not fair for a parent to impose that on their child for their own comfort or validation. It's not their document. It's the child's. It has to reflect the child's reality, not the parent's own, unique and very subjective reality.

I realise the birth certificate is the child's but as a mother I'd be pretty annoyed to have the record of the birth I went through and the baby I raised altered. No matter how accepting I might be about that child's current situation and identity, why should my history as a mother be erased/altered?

@dancingcamper sperm donors don't get recorded, or at least not on my birth certificate (mid 80s). I'm donor conceived, but my dad (as in the man who brought me up) is named as my father on my birth certificate. Don't know if legislation is any different now, but it's not made a difference that it isn't biologically accurate.

Indeed, who is the actual father?

Article said artificial insemination by donor. If from an official source the donor obviously has no further rights or obligations and won't be on the birth certificate.

If unofficial then name could go on birth certificate if both agreed and notwitstanding that he is responsible for financial maintenance of his child.

I'm donor conceived, but my dad (as in the man who brought me up) is named as my father on my birth certificate. Don't know if legislation is any different now, but it's not made a difference that it isn't biologically accurate

If your parents were married there was always an automatic assumption the man your mother was married to goes on the bc. That still applies- the husband of a married surrogate is still the default father.

If your parents weren't, your mother's partner could simply have gone along with your mother to register the birth - same as any unmarried father.

There are other permutations, including 2 mothers , one of whom will have no genetic connection to the child.

www.gov.uk/register-birth/who-can-register-a-birth

That poor poor kid. It's the most basic of human rights.

I’m really angry at the way children are becoming ignored in so many of these issues, when they should always be the priority. Surrogacy. Transgenderism. Safeguarding around bathrooms, sleeping arrangements etc it’s fucking always kids who are most at risk if the changes activists want go ahead. When will we ever bloody learn.

So let’s get down the the nitty gritty. The baby was conceived ‘the normal route’ (by accident or design) or by artificial insemination (definitely by design). Either way, there’s no way this would have been a surprise outcome.

Forgive me for being naive, but surely if you want to be, or think you are a man, then you wouldn't want to have periods, get pregnant or give birth? All things that only a woman can do?

Is it safe to get pregnant after years on hormones? Is there much evidence on the risks?

What a lot of confusion and heartache.

This clearly tells you all you need to know. Or. Does. It. The link applies to those who donate sperm or eggs.

www.gov.uk/legal-rights-for-egg-and-sperm-donors

However:

Children born from 2005 onward do have a legal right to know who their genetic parent is.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/jan/22/politics.health

So. That's all very clear and settled then.

Forgive me for being naive, but surely if you want to be, or think you are a man, then you wouldn't want to have periods, get pregnant or give birth? All things that only a woman can do?

Rational and logical thought alert! Quick, call the stupid police.

@azulmariposa

Trans activists want to get rid of these distinctions, so that men can get pregnant, and women have a penis. Funnily enough, transwomen are the ones who get all the attention and the political representation and the celebrity status. Transmen only make the news when they get pregnant. It's almost as if even as trans, men get all the power and women make babies.

What’s to stop the child changing the birth certificate when they grow up anyway? It’s their document. The parent can’t expect to own both their own and their child’s certificate.