This is why mumsnet is considered transphobic

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jayhulme.com/blog/warinwords

Helen/Mimmymum spends so much time monitoring MN

And it's always interesting which threads she reports back on.

Come on here and debate us Jay. You won't because you can't defend any of your nonsense outside the soundbite world of twitter. No one denies you exist or are entitled to the same human rights as everyone else. But you can't redfine the meaning of the word woman and we will be happy to politely explain why.

Yes, the assertion that we don't explain what the risks we are talking about are, and that we haven't explained over and over, why we object to 'cis' is a very good example of the surface level engagement TRAs have with anti-Genderist ideas.

When I look at their articles, believe it or not, I'm genuinely trying to understand the thrust of their argument, trying to see what has brought them to their conclusions. This means I am not looking for gotchas, so I need to engage with the ideas. Sadly, so far, the thought processes and language used are always unevidenced assertion, a lot of quasi-religious statements and sometimes quite deliberate confusion.

What I see, time and again, when they attempt these rebuttals, is a lot of huffing and retreat into cult mantras - and corn dolly after corn dolly which betray that just haven't really understood any of these basic arguments that we apparently use for mendacious purposes...

This video supposedly looking at Magdalen Berns' YouTube is a good example of this veneer of rebuttal, without any actual engagement at all.

Basically, the most useful thing to keep in mind is that this is a neo-religion, and when you read these articles and watch these videos, you are seeing fundamentalists desperately trying to deal with their cognitive dissonance.

Waves at the Monitors

You guys are totes my faves!

We will always need different words to make a distinction between men and women. You can try and change the meaning of words but you can't change reality.

Even if (god forbid!) ciswomen became the new accepted normal to describe women, it wouldn't be long before transwomen would declare it triggering and transphobic.

And it's always interesting which threads she reports back on.

Oh yes, I’m looking forward to the day Helen 👋 tweets and screenshots about how transphobic we all are because we are horrified by JY taking women to court to force them to wax balls.

''we are left with no choice but to compare “trans people” and “people”. It is another way of using language to erase the humanity and personhood of trans people.''

For the purposes of making a direct comparison between trans and non-trans, you could use the word 'non-trans'. Hope that helps.

''The “protect” is important, it again lies heavy with the implication that they are standing up for the status quo against some undefined danger.''

And there's the problem in a nutshell. TRAs constantly deny women are at risk from sexual violence committed by men, they accuse us of lying or imagining dangers where non exist. For political and ideological reasons they claim sexual violence isn't predominantly a crime committed by men against women and girls, and would quite happily see women stripped of all single sex spaces. There's not a great deal of difference between their beliefs and those of MRAs.

It's shocking that so many women have decided that the real evil going on isn't the attack against women and the promotion of the rape myth that women routinely lie about sex attacks, but in a male born person not being able to validate h** inner lady feels by pissing in the women's toilets.

I knew that would piss you off Jay and I was aware you'd be watching the thread.

Do you have any poems that aren't about you being transgender?

it wouldn't be long before transwomen would declare it triggering and transphobic.

Indeed, since use of a fictional term like "ciswoman" immediately identifies that there is also the fictional term "transwoman". And everyone knows what "transwoman" really means.

Personally, I never use either term and never will.

I found it very freeing to stop using the word trans and it’s derivatives-a decision taken as a direct result of the policing of language here put in place to appease the monitors currently bemoaning this thread

I just say male or female now. No prefix required. Because really the only time I’m commenting on issues around people who believe strongly in gender are when sex is relevant. If it’s a situation where sex is not relevant then why would I waste my time thinking about someone’s gender beliefs?

And there's the problem in a nutshell. TRAs constantly deny women are at risk from sexual violence committed by men, they accuse us of lying or imagining dangers where non exist. For political and ideological reasons they claim sexual violence isn't predominantly a crime committed by men against women and girls, and would quite happily see women stripped of all single sex spaces. There's not a great deal of difference between their beliefs and those of MRAs.

It does rather begs the question of exactly why they think there are thousands upon thousands of women who are opposed to the ideology.

Do they genuinely think that educated, mostly left-wing, inclusive women, from all walks of life, including all the professions and academia, are transphobic? And if they are, why are they?

Why do they think women are spending extraordinary amounts of time and effort on this issue?

It's not because we don't understand, clearly most of us could write a bloody thesis about it. It's not because we haven't met trans people, many of us have them in our families, and friendship groups.

Why do they think that this opposition is there?

Why do they think that this opposition is there?

Yes, especially since all the official statistics exist that define the explicit nature of the physical and sexual violence by males against females. The constant denial of such facts only services to harm their argument.

Frankly, it is extraordinary that it keeps being denied. There is simply far too much evidence.

The most persuasive gender-critical people base their viewpoint on reality and facts.

The anti-woman politics of transgenderism tries to overturn reality and facts but this cannot create another valid reality and another set of facts - it can create only fantasy and lies.

For example, gender critics provide evidence that lesbians are actually being marginalised, but in transgenderism's orwellian fake reality it is transgender people who are being "erased" by gender-critical female people. This does not match the reality that now is actually the time of greatest transgender visibility, influence and power.

Ah, Bless him.

Jay I didn’t realise you knew about MN - please do feel welcome to join!

My comment about menstruators wasn’t directly in response to your piece - bit of a tangent.

And my concern isn’t with actual trans people, who I know are just living their lives like anyone else. It’s with people like JY, who seem to use their trans status as a weapon against safeguarding and as a shied from criticism.

I think a small number of people are latching on to the genuine T and using it to erode safeguarding in a “socially acceptable” way. I think some powerful people must be involved, or the press would be reporting on (for example) JY.

It’s funny that Jay thinks we’re ‘really really mad’. Nope, you’re being laughed at here. We do get mad though, as human beings women can and do get angry about misogynists like Jay. We are allowed. Unlike males, we don’t threaten to physically hurt others or go ahead and actually hurt them either. It is always interesting to me when people who think they’re writers, write with the intention to make people angry. It’s quite revealing.

I do think we are giving these bad writers too much attention though. And whatshername... minnimamamooma I still crack up about her appearance in court

Does mommymimmymamaloo tweet about threads like this:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3639261-It-never-happens-Ever

Probably not huh?

OP because we see through the bullshit. Pie anyone?

Isn't it transphobic to refer to a trans person's "birth gender"? I thought they were their true gender from birth, it just gets "assigned" incorrectly?

(The blog says "birth gender")

Birth gender? What, did the baby come out draped in a rainbow flag singing Liza Minnelli showstoppers?

Transphobic seems to mean believing in objective reality over fantasy. Sign me up. Proud to be transphobic.

Not sure how mmmmmmy thinks mn are "loosing it." over this.

She loves to gaslight doesn't she.

I was more bothered about loosing my shopping list this morning (true story.)

OK Jay - describe ‘female gender identity’ in a non-circular definition.

Spends alot of time in schools with kids it would seem.

Weird huh?