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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It's International Non Binary Day

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Doyoumind · 14/07/2019 15:16

So Twitter tells me.

I see posts from people I can vaguely understand are non binary but am totally confused by many posts of people presenting very much in line with the sterotypical gender related to their sex and saying they don't all use 'they' pronouns. So what the hell is non binary about them?

Genuine question and not intended to be goady. I don't get it. Well, I get that it might appeal to someone trying to be something other than ordinary.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/07/2019 16:58

Do you ask them what exactly this means?

I know that teens have always thought that they were the actual generation who discovered sex, fashion and everything else - but Jesus, this lot a navel gazers really take the biscuit.

Goosefoot · 15/07/2019 17:24

I wonder about this idea of the counter-culture not really countering the dominant narrative, but becoming part of it.

Maybe it's become increasingly obvious that counter-culture doesn't do that very effectively much of the time. Sure you an be a hippie, or a punk, or a Goth. But some corporation is still going to be all over it and treat you like a market to sell a particular set of products to.

So maybe it just doesn't have a lot of appeal to these young people. They don't see a way out.

Goosefoot · 15/07/2019 17:28

They don't really know what they mean. THey don't know how to ask questions. They don't really know about very much at all. They don't read, and aren't very literate. They have no cultural knowledge, their own culture or any other one. They don't understand how science works, how historians come to their conclusions, or how to tell a good argument from a bad one.

That all sounds really negative and bitter, and I'm not - I like young people. But they are struggling.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/07/2019 17:52

Being told they are better and know more - and if anyone criticises, argues or questions scream ‘HATER!’ As loud as you can.

I remember when we were little when your mum and dad would advise young children to scream of some weirdo tried to lure you away with the promise of puppies or sweeties. Oh how times have changed (the kids seem to want the puppies and sweeties).

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 15/07/2019 17:59

OP - good question. Gender Identity is meant to be a deep-down feeling that you are male or female. So given that no-one is born with a sex of 'non-binary', what is non-binary? It must be that female and male 'gender identities' are just stereotypes and non-binary people think that they are neither Barbie nor GI Joe. Isn't that (almost) all of us? It's just bollocks all of it.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/07/2019 18:02

Right. When my sister and I were kids - and during a very long school holiday - we decided to see if we both tasted water the same way.

We tried to explain how it tasted to us, tried to describe it, tried to show how it tasted but you know what? We bloody well couldn’t.

Same with ‘ooohhhhh I feel like a woman!’

How the bloody hell do you know? Please explain. Tell me how? How does it work, you idiot.

NataleeY · 15/07/2019 19:01

Is this really a thing?

Fraggling · 15/07/2019 20:49

Interesting thing is self id is only open to certain types of people.

Middle aged women are not a type of person who is allowed to self id. When we do, we are ridiculed and told we are 'cis'.

Interesting isn't it

BickerinBrattle · 15/07/2019 21:11

Do these self-obsessed navel-gazers preoccupied with delineating the exact shape of their conformity to specifically gendered ideas realize that the US and Saudi Arabia have been involved in a years-long campaign to starve the Yemenis?

Do they realize that the US and Russia are re-starting the Cold War?

Do they have a clue about the levels of hunger in their own country, whichever country it is? How about child poverty?

Funny I remember when I was a self-obsessed navel-gazer, as so many adolescents are, my friends and I, rather than demand special days and that everyone else yield to your language, worried over fashion but also did things like march against war, launch boycotts of companies supporting apartheid, sat-in at nuclear weapons sites, set-up and staffed food banks and refuges. You know the stuff of actual social engagement, the stuff that actually DID have some beneficial effect for other people besides ourselves.

The utter narcissism of it all. The sheer solipsism. Just blows my mind.

Winter is coming, has already come for too many. It's way past time identitarians turned away from the mirror.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/07/2019 23:22

Ultimate rainbow dead cat

ALittleBitofVitriol · 15/07/2019 23:46

They've been told how special and unique they are. And how special and unique everyone else is. And how depressing a state the world is in. And the pressure is on for this amazing wonderful generation, full of potential, to fix it. But they feel powerless, so they focus on what they can control.

I really feel for kids today. It's a tough world. I think a lot of them would be well served by some hard, physical work outside followed by a big serving of great literature. They're so disconnected from their place in the natural world and in human history - no wonder they feel so anxious.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/07/2019 07:09

I blame social media. I really do. Kids are not taught critical thinking and seem a bit naive in their belief of what people tell them.

You only have to watch a twitter thread evolve from ‘I’ve just been punched for being xyz’ And the inevitable unquestioning ‘RUok? ‘Call the police’ photos of the attacker online and following naming /death threats etc to ‘this person was actually mugging an old lady and another guy stepped in’. But then it’s all lies!

To quote someone who would know ‘fake news’.

MrsJamin · 16/07/2019 10:57

The nonbinary thing totally negates the gender identity narrative that is held as truth by many people in power. People know this but still somehow shoehorn it into their warped worldview to justify NB to themselves and then they just tie themselves in knots. Other people then just nod and go "wow you are so marginalised you can't even put your identity on a form! Poor you!" without any critical thinking whatsoever. It beggars belief.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/07/2019 11:26

1979:
A ‘Yuk, pink - I want the blue one’
B ‘But girls like pink’
A ‘I don’t’
A&B ‘whatever...’

2019
A ‘Yuk pink - I want the blue one’
B ‘But girls like pink’
A ‘I don’t - it’s because I am special and unique - and don’t call me a girl. That hate speech and I will call my lawyers. My gender is Qdhroenebf and my pronouns are Xi/Xy/ - when I choose to think about using one. DEAL WITH IT, HATER!’
A&B ‘waaaahhhhhhhhh...’

Needmoresleep · 16/07/2019 11:51

Is non-binary gender or sex?

The Mail has an odd story which mainly correctly uses sex:

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7251663/Former-gay-male-escort-sex-150-men-doesnt-believe-labels-sex-woman.html

written in an accepting, non judgemental way. It is nice to see the Mail celebrating one of the important days in our calendar. Hmm I honestly don't care whether he is gay straight, bi or non-binary. The point is, Dominic, sex work is not the way to go.

Interesting though that he got hate when discovering he was attracted to women as well as men, and that celibacy was the way in which he got his head together.

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