It's International Non Binary Day

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So Twitter tells me.

I see posts from people I can vaguely understand are non binary but am totally confused by many posts of people presenting very much in line with the sterotypical gender related to their sex and saying they don't all use 'they' pronouns. So what the hell is non binary about them?

Genuine question and not intended to be goady. I don't get it. Well, I get that it might appeal to someone trying to be something other than ordinary.

Bespin why do trans people hate new additions under the trans umbrella?

Accepting of what? Non-binary is utter guff.

what like gender free? how dare you say that lol

Alpha-Centauri

As in ‘small furry creatures from...’ in The Hitch-Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy or the hermaphroditic hexapods from Doctor Who*?

A nerd needs to know those things.

because poeple don't like change and some trans woman have said there is only one way to be trans. also the system expected you to identify in the binary to get treatment.

So transwomen questioned the validity of other people's identities?

Genderfree isn't utter guff. Babies in the womb are genderfree. Mine is 3 and doesn't have a gender identity.

some trans people did and some probably still do we are not one group of people and we don't just have one view. hence you get gender critical trans woman.

If trans is an illness we should worry about it’s causes and ensure people get good treatment. And I see no evidence that we know what good treatment is in general

If it’s not an ill illnees you do not need treatemnt

Genderfree is not believing in gender at all.
Non-Binary is a gender, believers insisting on "They/them" pronouns etc.
The two would have nothing in common to talk about.

But yeah, you're still a male or female non binary person. Or an intersex non binary person.

But you see, Always, in asking that question you’re forcing a binary choice. Non-binary means never having having to choose which gate to go through. It means choosing ALL the gates.

So I'm sure a lot of people on here are supportive of non binary people and welcome this day.

Almost everyone on the planet is non-fucking-binary.

They aren't all narcissists though, this is one way of finding out who is.

If trans is an illness we should worry about it’s causes and ensure people get good treatment. And I see no evidence that we know what good treatment is in general.

have you come from the 70s or something it's not been a illness in a long time. but it can and does require treatment but not always

Can anybody genuinely explain ' i’m a genderless trans man' this - I'm confused by genderless and man in the same description rather than being a GF.

Ithink I've said it here somewhere before but it's the concept of 'coming out' that is so mystifying and seems offensive compared to lesbians and gays who really have to come out

I also don't understand it compared to coming out, if that is the right expression, as trans. I'm utterly puzzled at Fox and Ulla saying they are non- binary. They pass very well as a trans man and a trans woman.

The non binary and 82 genders stuff is very much the new tribal thing, complete with different ways of looking, as per music tribes when I was young, and it all would be harmless if it wasn't for all the stuff that goes with it that we all know all about.

Without all the other stuff it would be strandard teens with silly hair complaining that no one understands them which is fine and totally expected.

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There you go. Non binary.

Everyone is non-binary.

It’s as “normal” as you can get.

Only saying so spoils it for people who don’t feel they are special and really want to be.

I once knew a guy who’s mum was French. He would point this out a lot and tell everyone he was “dual nationality”. Someone said of him “deep down, he’s just really, really normal.”

It’s that in a nutshell.

Shep - genderless transman is an oxymoron.

It could possibly be a man (scrotum swinger) who is genderfree which is under the trans umbrella and is therefore a man who is trans.

Non-binary exists to create a new binary: those who are non-binary and those who aren’t demanding their individual subjectivities be privileged in a neoliberal, market-based political system over the material realities of the sex-based oppression of the female sex class who are the means of reproduction in a capitalist society that requires the reproduction of consumers and workers to further the continued expansion that are the raison d’etre of capitalist economies.

I just think it's awful that you invalidate the special ones in this way. Dialectic schmialectic.

I think people have waaaay too much time on their hands. They need a summer job surely?

NIce reply X & Y, thats all there is, really

Bespin
Why does something which is not an illness need treatment?

Lang That’s my superpower: I wear a big “I” on my chest and a cape of no colour.

Why does something which is not an illness need treatment?

Just what I was thinking.

Does someone with flawless skin sometimes need acne treatment?

Does someone without cancer sometimes need chemo?

Does someone with perfectly healthy limbs sometimes need an amputation?

Nope. Nope and nope unless they have a mental illness of course.