Banned from women-only FB group

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A trans woman edited by MNHQ because OP is using second language posted in a women's only FB group wanting free emotional labour and "validation" from untrained women to help them with getting over their abusive ex boyfriend.

I stated it wasn't appropriate to ask untrained women to take on their emotional labour, especially considering what had happened to them was so traumatic (according to them they ended up in hospital), and especially not for free and suggested they seek professional help instead.

Cue trans woman and women stating I was being transphobic, and "wouldn't understand the fear a marginalised group would go through."

I was told I hadn't been through a traumatic experience before so couldn't possibly understand what the OP was going through.

I've been banned from a group specifically designed for women. Nowhere in the post did I mention anything about the OP being trans.

I am so sick of this shit. The world has gone mad.

Now

How do you mistake this

I stated it wasn't appropriate to ask untrained women to take on their emotional labour, especially considering what had happened to them was so traumatic (according to them they ended up in hospital), and especially not for free and suggested they seek professional help instead.

For this

Most members won't be able to provide appropriate help for you, as we are in tech and not medically trained. However there are many English speaking therapists in Berlin, and I hope you'll find the help you need!"

What reason would there be to make up one or the other?

I mean it was all on topic

It really wasn't. it was derailed in the same way many threads are.

The op has said that the sexual abuse descriptions were very graphic and were related without warning in front of a rape survivor in an environment where you would normally feel confident you would never hear such a thing

Yes. Not appropriate for the group, fair enough. Why has she repeatedly mentioned her being trans and sick of centreing males on this thread though?
Would she have reacted like that to a biological woman asking for support?
As in "No we're not doing your emotional labour for you?"

Datun

My tired Z's were in response to the way this thread has progressed and not to your sensitive post.

I know we're not talking about rape here but it's astounding the lengths people will go to to infer that a woman's word is totally worthless

Yes, she is the one who knows what happened, what she said and how she said it, but the contrarians know better.

I'll repeat (cos I liked it so much and apparently going round and round is so on point)

Well apparently MN FWR is a court of law, and the OPs first statement was taken down and used as evidence against her. All following statements are clearly lies to mitigate the first, and corroborating witness statements are unsafe as there is obvious bias.

I saw community disruption at first hand with MTF trans
They hung around a feminist forum for years, causing massive fights between the libfems and the rad fems. It was very disturbing. It's been repeated again and again over the years

Sorry, but are you insinuating we're MTF trans sent to disrupt and cause fights?
Well, that's certainly a new one, I'll give you that.

Hahahah Roses it's not all about you. Read again.

Well apparently MN FWR is a court of law, and the OPs first statement was taken down and used as evidence against her.

It's what she said though. When people disagreed with her it massively changed to something completely different.

it's astounding the lengths people will go to to infer that a woman's word is totally worthless

Well that's what happens when you post 2 completely opposing accounts and then try to pretend that they are the same and any discrepancies are because you don't speak the language well (despite posting fluently in that language all day).

In other circumstance you would be accusing a poster of gaslighting for doing what the op has done here.

You're really stretching to think that could have anything to do with you Roses.

I'm talking about MTF trans coming into women's communities and dividing them. It's happening all the time at the moment. Including to the OP's women's tech forum. It was in support of her experience.

Like I said Roses quoting in FULL....

Well apparently MN FWR is a court of law, and the OPs first statement was taken down and used as evidence against her. All following statements are clearly lies to mitigate the first, and corroborating witness statements are unsafe as there is obvious bias.

They could have rebuked her for being insensitive, perhaps. But no, it had to be "transphobia", the worse of all possible things in the known universe*

Well quite. I might be too thick to understand what transphobia is (something about periods idk) but I do know there is nothing in the whole world that's worse

Yes. Not appropriate for the group, fair enough. Why has she repeatedly mentioned her being trans and sick of centreing males on this thread though? Would she have reacted like that to a biological woman asking for support? As in "No we're not doing your emotional labour for you?

Mmmm... where have I heard that before? Oh I know, upthread

The OP's community got disrupted by a community disruptor.

Hahahah Roses it's not all about you. Read again

I know it's not all about me.
OccasionalKite said about three times over a few pages "community disruption target" and then someone says they've seen it before with MTF trans sent in to disrupt and cause fights. It's been repeated again over the years.
What else was it supposed to mean then if not to insinuate that's what's happening here? Bit of a weird thing to come out with in response to this thread if that's not what was meant

Those two statements read the same to me. The post to the other forum user is just her thoughts expressed kindly and politely. Her OP is obviously posted from exasperation about what happened.

Yes, she is the one who knows what happened, what she said and how she said it, but the contrarians know better.

Yes and I'm taking at face value what she said in her initial post.

How come you are so sure that it's the 2nd account that is true? Why did she say the 1st one if that isn't true? What was the point of that? Couldn't have been to whip you all up into a frenzy of support for her could it? Only to change it when people started pointing out that it was offensive.

I'm talking about MTF trans coming into women's communities and dividing them. It's happening all the time at the moment. Including to the OP's women's tech forum. It was in support of her experience

Oh OK, fair enough apologies then.
Transwomen are allowed in the group as they're seen as women though.
That's their rules.

It's to fucking state that it happened in the OP's forum. Jeeezus.

That is bizarre to think I'm "insinuating". If I wanted to say something I'd say it directly to you. I wouldn't pussy foot around with a little story from my past.

Pay attention - MTF trans disrupt women's communities. That's what you need to takeway from what I said. Not weird defensiveness thinking it's about you.

x-post there obviously.

How come you are so sure that it's the 2nd account that is true?

Because she said it was and we believe her.

The OP actually said she was blindsided by reading a graphic account of trauma in a forum where she was not expecting to read something like that.

And if she expressed that hopefully the group admins would have considered the appropriateness of the post in a new light. But she didn't.

Nor does the content of the post have anything to do with the poster's gender identity. (Cue thousands of vitriolic posts about AGP and how all transwomen are perverts etc etc).

Transwomen are allowed in the group

No one has said otherwise! Maybe you should warm up before stretching else you'll do yourself a ham.