Y chromosome

[Watchfulwaiter]

To avoid current derail of thread about Dr Em

And if feminists don't think it's ironic to discover that the Y chromosome is "shrivelled" (to quote the Smithsonian magazine) when men have spent millennia telling us that women were inferior and the second sex, or not even human, then I don't know who will.

I'll stick with Jenny Grave's description, given that she wrote the paper on it and has this substantial CV to back up her opinions:

"Professor Jenny Graves received a BSc Hons from the University of Adelaide in 1964 and an MSc in 1967. Her research for these degrees involved the inactivation of the X chromosome in marsupials. She then received a Fulbright Travel Grant to go to the University of California, Berkeley to work with Professor Dan Mazia. She received a PhD in 1971 for her work on the control of DNA synthesis. In 1971, Graves returned to Australia as a lecturer in genetics at La Trobe University. Her research interests focused again on marsupials and she became involved in gene mapping. Her current research involves investigating the organisation, function and evolution of mammalian sex chromosomes and sex determining genes. She is also interested in comparative genome mapping. Graves became professor of genetics at La Trobe in 1991, and became a Fellow of the Australian Academy of Science in 1999. In 2001 she took a position at the Research School of Biological Sciences, Australian National University as head of the Comparative Genomics Research Unit."

We might not reproduce. We might die out because of the Y chromosome. Pesky men, eh?

I think Sakura is addressing the question, which even feminists almost never ask, is what is wrong with men?

And Sakura is starting from the premise that men are genetically inferior, and looking for answers in the chromosome that differs in men, and bringing in a lot of pseudoscience that sounds a lot like what I’d expect to hear from David Duke or Louis Farrakhan when talking about another group.

Erythronium

When was that research done? Only she'd be in her 70s now wouldn't she? Is her research current or are you relying on 20 or 30 year old studies?

Feel free to do your own research if you want to undermine the argument decomposing composers. I've noticed it's tactic - go for the source when there isn't much else of an argument to be made. It's been standard across at least three threads I've been on now.

What do you think if the source of men's lethal and sometimes genocidal violence, Always?

What do you think if the source of men's lethal and sometimes genocidal violence, Always?

Let me guess, it’s on that chromosome that, by your own reckoning, contains nothing but human shit?

Erythronium

I will undermine arguments when they are complete bunkum. Why wouldn't I?

You are adhering to a theory that was published what 20 odd years ago at least?

I note that the two posters who believe the Y chromosome is inferior, and that it will whither and die, repeatedly express a negative view of men.

Those of us who stress the importance, and continued necessity of the Y chromosome don’t feel the need to express an opinion on men one way or the other.

One side is clearly displaying motivated reasoning.

"You just copied and pasted the biography of someone who studied Skippy the Bush Kangaroo."

LOL she's an emeritus professor in ecology and evolution and she's studied the Y chromosome directly. Do your qualifications match that?

Your slip is showing.

I think male violence is linked to the Y chromosome. It couldn't be any other way. Women simply aren't like that. If there's a non-biological reason for men behaving the way they do I'd be happy to hear it.

I don't know if that's because of it's degraded status, but its degraded status is a fact.

If you have any more up to date research decomposing composers feel free to share it. Although I don't think that the Y chromosome has regained any of its lost genes in the past twenty years.

do you really think men's behaviour is entirely nature? no nurture involved? I doubt there are any studies that can back that up

I didn't say I believe that the Y chromosome will whither and die, I said there's an argument that it will, made by geneticists. It's still up for debate.

Why would anybody nurture violence into men when it wasn't there before? Who nurtured them?

Although I don't think that the Y chromosome has regained any of its lost genes in the past twenty years.

Not saying it has but opinion might have changed from degraded to streamlined in that time.

If there's a non-biological reason for men behaving the way they do I'd be happy to hear it

Societal.

Next.

Why would anybody nurture violence into men when it wasn't there before?

Do you understand what 'nurture' in this context means?

you don't think that the sense of entitlement men have leads to some of them being violent?

i find biological determinism so bleak (as well as being demonstrable bollocks in the case of race science)

An oppressed class (women) analysing the root cause of male violence and destruction of us is literally nothing like race science.

There are over 100 million missing women and girls in this world because of men's hatred of us and violence against us and you're likening me asking why it's happening, to the arguments of racial supremacy.

I find war, genocide, gynocide, rape, murder, weapons of mass destruction and all the other appalling things men do, bleak, but that's just me.

Do you titchy?

And no I don't think "entitlement" leads to genocide. Do you really think it does?

Racism is a male invention BTW. Used to justify the genocides they commit.

And that society was created how tichty? By whom? Who's in charge of it? Who gets to decide what happens within it?

I find war, genocide, gynocide, rape, murder, weapons of mass destruction and all the other appalling things men do, bleak, but that's just me.

Do you titchy?

Obviously Still doesn't mean the root cause is genomic though. It's societal.

And that society was created how tichty? By whom? Who's in charge of it? Who gets to decide what happens within it?

Not sure you're entirely familiar with the concept of society...

No, that question was do you know what "nurture" means in this context titchy? Not quite clear obviously.

Once again, who created the society in this way that allows men free rein to commit acts of appalling violence. They even institutionalise it in the form of the military. Why would a peaaceful non-violent person create a society in complete opposition to that?