In plain sight

[DefinitelyNotMe]

I am looking at you, BBC.

Eaudear I noticed that.

Lots of men in glitter and wigs with beards. Zero women.

Thing is, while we didn’t see the main parade yesterday, we were around that bit of London for hours in the vicinity of hundreds of happy kids who’d been to Pride and were hanging around with their mates afterwards. That picture just doesn’t represent what we saw - I just don’t understand why the photographer chose to focus on these creepy old guys (and the pup fetishists), the images have been chosen to represent Pride and the press has put them front and centre??

Christ, I feel I need to qualify my use of the word ‘kids’ now; I used it to describe young people in their late teens/early twenties...

I have seen footage of people from African countries and other places, where being gay still literally will get you killed and there is just no way you could be out, at Pride. I wonder what they think of the adult babies and pups at Pride?

It will be seen as confirmation that being gay is a sexual perversion and that their laws against it are correct.

Exactly this ^.

How have Pride or any of the other organisations and global commercial companies not thought this through? They are surely making it far harder for gay men and lesbians in many other countries to be 'out' and accepted by their families and society.

Also they are surely making it far harder for gay men and lesbians to argue for laws that allow them to have same-sex relationships and to be protected from harm.

Does it really not matter to Pride etc that displays of kink and paraphillia - which will be directly linked by many people to homosexuality, are making things harder and potentially more dangerous for many lesbians and gay men around the world?

Do Pride and the BBC not have a responsibility here to not make the fight for gay rights harder for those in other countries?

frankly the sexualisation of childhood is never OK

but in the context of implying that somehow this is part of homosexuality.......

really, really fucking not OK

as PP's have said, it just contributes to the idea that homosexuality is a perversion, which will directly harm gay people. Pride seriously need to get their house in order

They would no doubt be able to spin it as humorous fancy dress rather than a kink/fetish if challenged.

The BBC website photos of pride were all showing men, either transgender or with a kink/fetish on show. No photos with woman as the main subject.

I thought the same when I clicked on the National Theatre's twitter feed over the 'lesbians on chairs having a drink' thing. They were promoting their pride weekend/outside stage thing. All men. Not a woman in sight.

I've made a complaint, will wait to see what comes back....

Let's be frank here, part of this particular kink is shitting and pissing in nappies.

Ohh sorry, am I kink shaming?

I thought that pride was all about saying "yes I am gay but I'm essentially like you, I just love someone of the same sex". How can anyone see that show and see everyday gay life represented by it? If someone was homophobic how would any of this shit show help them see that homosexual relationships are normal and should be part of a fair and decent society? It's just shooting themselves in the foot!

That picture tells me there is something very wrong with the World.

I have seen footage of people from African countries and other places, where being gay still literally will get you killed and there is just no way you could be out, at Pride. I wonder what they think of the adult babies and pups at Pride?

It will be seen as confirmation that being gay is a sexual perversion and that their laws against it are correct.

And to add insult to injury, the LGBT Migrants group (that represents and supports gay people from countries were homosexuality is still illegal) were apparently not allowed in the main parade.

the LGBT Migrants group (that represents and supports gay people from countries were homosexuality is still illegal)

Whaaaaat?!!

I mean... WTF?

What a mess. Options:

this is the perfect set-up for a Thermidorean reaction* and we're in danger of having gay LGB rights curtailed or even rescinded as part of a general shift towards totalitarianism;

as PPs comment, Pride is heedless of the consequences for LGB in other countries and continents and there are women's groups that don't care that Pride has because male entitlement writ large;

cross-generational play is being mainstreamed - as so many commenters have argued for decades and the likes of PIE were underground but are surfacing with as much power and money behind them as they had previously.

For historians of revolutionary movements, the term Thermidor has come to mean the phase in some revolutions when power slips from the hands of the original revolutionary leadership and a radical regime is replaced by a more conservative regime, sometimes to the point where the political pendulum may swing back towards something resembling a pre-revolutionary state.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermidorian_Reaction

HandsOffMyRights
You make a good point regarding going in to work. Will everyone laud them now there fetish is no longer a secret or do these people not have jobs?

I'm going to put a complaint in to the BBC but I doubt it'll make a difference.

I would so like to be able to vote LibDem but they really don't seem to want my vote:
twitter.com/IrinavonWiese/status/1147483563182497794

Can't work out if she's naive or summat else...

What would the BBC do though? They were taking photos of people at a public event. Perhaps a bit of sunlight is the best disinfectant in this case...

Very uncomfortable standoff between the migrant group and the police can be see in this tweet.

Like many other community groups, the Migrants orgs couldn't afford the fees to be part of the main parade. So the Home Office was in the main parade but they were not.

As has now become customary, all those who cannot afford the fees or refuse to pay them on principle waited for hours for the parade to pass and then join in at the very end - ostensibly tolerated by the organisers but not welcome by any measure.

As this standoff shows: the LGBT Migrants group is here being stopped from joining at the end of the parade. I do not know why or how this was resolved, because join in they did eventually.

This bizarre situation, like few others, shows how corrupted Pride has become.

The Home Office is welcome to be in the main parade.

The Home Office, which rejects two thirds of asylum claims based on fleeing persecution for being gay and that regularly denies gay refugees and migrants the right to stay based on shockingly homophobic reasoning (such as a lesbian who was denied the right to stay because the Home Office argued that she couldn't possibly be gay, because she had children).

Organisations set up to help those fleeing persecution for being gay are not welcome.

Not unless they can pay. And of course they don't receive government funding, so they can't justify paying the fee.

What do the main LGBT organisations like Stonewall or Pink News say about adult babies and puppies joining the march? Do they need official approval to turn up as a group?

These men are seriously perverted. Any person who happily chants Pride alongside them is equally concerning. Running out of words to say how appalling this all is.

Some things should be shameful - its supposed to stop you doing it.

As I am both heterosexual and not given to crowded city streets I have only ever been to Gay Pride (and it was GAY Pride then) once, by accident, while on holiday in Reykjavik.

That was 15 years ago, my children were 8 and 5 at the time. There were no fetishists, no mention of the word trans, no men in arseless chaps (OK that may be because it was in Reykjavik). I don't even recall any drag queens. Just ordinary men and women in ordinary clothes, who happen to be homosexual marching for their rights with some flags and music and a few stalls selling food along the way.

Not one single thing that made me concerned whether it was appropriate that we had stumbled upon the parade with small children in tow.

Now what I see of 'Pride' makes my skin crawl. This is not appropriate for public streets where random families might happen upon it with no warning. It is a grotesque parody of what Gay Pride was.

As for the corporate sponsors etc, well it's a nice easy way to score virtue points without actually doing anything isn't it? The real battles for equality, marriage, being recognised next of kin, employment rights and so forth were fought by others while these corporations stood silent and now they jump on the bandwagon while ignoring the million and one other real problems that might cost them time, effort or thought to support. They are pathetic.

Pride needs to be separated from LGB.
Our rights have come a long way but the more homosexuality is associated with fetishes the more likely it is we (LGB, and T) will come under attack again. People are being naive if they think the public will not react against us.
Fine, away with you all and have a fetish event but stop using LGBT as a cover for your behaviour.
Pups/furries/men dressed as babies - nothing to do with homosexuality - stop using us as cover for how you get your jollies.

Oh, and the more the corporations see the fetish shit the more they are likely to walk away.
Who wants their brand tainted by adult males dresses as little girls?

I would so like to be able to vote LibDem but they really don't seem to want my vote:

That thread! What was she thinking? Will her colleagues say nothing or is Challenor now with the LibDems? (I lost track of what happened post-Greens.)