Lancaster Pride 19 Expose

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What happens when a group of lesbian show up on the steps of Lancaster Town hall on Pride day with megaphone and banners emblazoned with the words 'Lesbians don't have penises' & 'Lesbian = female homoSEXual ?

Find out tomorrow when Resisters United release our side of the story.

Thread will be updated in real time tomorrow. Twitter users please retweet.

Many thanks.

Agree with PP - seriously off the creepometer, that one. It’s long and waffly but I’m putting it here for posterity - how PP defended the “Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling” conference.

Don’t ever let them say that GC fems made this up or that lesbians are exaggerating.

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Is that Cursed E article supposed to be satire or something?

I mean, apart from the misogyny and plain ridiculousness of the article, does anyone actually use the term 'literal worst' without irony?

It's funny how no one ever accuses straight (or gay for that matter) men of 'using their sexuality to invalidate trans people'.

Cursed is playing to an audience of extremely unpleasant people, in the main.

What time is this happening?

Bespin

Equality Act 2010 Section 12: Sexual orientation
55.This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

• people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)

• people of the opposite sex from him or her (the person is heterosexual)

• people of both sexes (the person is bisexual).

56.It also explains that references to people sharing a sexual orientation mean that they are of the same sexual orientation.

Examples
A man who experiences sexual attraction towards both men and women is “bisexual” in terms of sexual orientation even if he has only had relationships with women.

A man and a woman who are both attracted only to people of the opposite sex from them share a sexual orientation.

A man who is attracted only to other men is a gay man. A woman who is attracted only to other women is a lesbian. So a gay man and a lesbian share a sexual orientation.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/12/notes

HTH.

Blimey, is it the heat? I shall be interested in reading about the Pride event. I'm not at all interested in reading the typical lazy Sunday attempts to goad and effect deletions and bans.

Lesbian = same sex oriented woman.

Your opinion on whether that is true, or kind, or popular, or invalidating of blokes identifying as female = entirely fucking irrelevant.

Not Lancaster Pride, but here's an account of how a group of lesbians were treated in Edinburgh by Jackie Mearns :

concludes:
"I can’t remember the last time Lesbians were ever front and centre in anything LGBTQI+++ related – can you?

So, the need for Lesbians taking space IN PRIDE is pressing. For we are being erased.

I felt Patrick Harvie’s speech inflamed an already dangerous situation for Lesbians on Pride. It did make me fearful, since immediately after, some people started shouting about getting the ‘TERFs’ out – it was obvious they meant us. We had already been blocked in by some very tall people wearing ‘Trans’ and ‘Non-Binary’ flags draped over their shoulders – quite literally and intentionally making us and our ‘Lesbian Visibility’ banners invisible.

Thanks to the spittle infused rhetoric espoused by Patrick Harvie MSP, our situation went from hostile to dangerous. I thought politicians had some standards in public life to stick to. Certainly, I don’t expect them to inflame the flames and put people (Lesbians) in danger of mob attack.

I was dismayed to find out later that my sisters who joined the march were harassed by marchers behind them, had bells rung and whistles painfully blown in their ears and even had a missile thrown at them in the shape of a juice bottle, that fortunately missed them but unfortunately hit a tourist photographing the parade.

They left the march of their own volition; unwilling to make their selves a target for hate any longer and fearing that the bells and whistles might turn into blows or worse.

It was obvious this would happen. The marchers had been well and truly whipped up into a ‘righteous’ anger by our MSPs and others who spoke from that open-top bus at the pre march rally.

The rally where Lesbians were intentionally blocked-in and made invisible.

Where women were told they were bigots for standing up for Female Rights and expecting our politicians to do the same;

Where it was made crystal clear to us that LESBIANS ARE NOT ONLY NO LONGER WELCOME BUT ARE NO LONGER SAFE AT PRIDE."
womansplaceuk.org/2019/06/23/lesbians-at-edinburgh-pride-a-personal-account/

Someone’s posted a Pride picture on my social media that states “do no harm but take no shit.”

Guess that doesn’t apply if you’re lesbians.

So what actually happened at Lancaster Pride for those of us not on Twitter?
And oh my god Bespin. Is this the new method of attack for those supporting trans? "I don't have to engage, please respect those who don't want to engage" and "That is exactly what i have the right to do, because i hope a point of view and i do not have to justify that point of view. Im sorry you dont want to accept the concept of free speech."

It is you who do not understand the concept of free speech and how it works within a society. As pp said, you are here and engaging: do so. No one has to respect your feelings as any more important than everyone else's. And your point of view is your point of view and you are entitled to hold it: but you do have to justify it in a society, and others have the right to ask you to do so.

Good god how low we have fallen.

So will Bespin come back and apologise for perpetuating the false tumblr claims that breaking through the cotton ceiling was coined by GC feminists when in fact it was a trans poem star??? Will they endeavour to correct it when their acquaintances repeat it in future??
(Just like the Marsha / Stonewall lies it’s scary how easily history can be rewritten before your eyes)

I remember reading that phrase years ago and feeling physically ill at the connotations of it.

Poem star oops

the idea of the cotton ceiling was not created by us, its a term that was used by GC people and was perpetuated by them

Utter bollocks. Articles written about it by trans people that date back years, bloody workshops held about it, funded fucking workshops about how males with trans identities can get women to get their knickers off. If you want more links, I have the links. I really fucking have the links because it was this crap that made me GC.

So yet again, what you're trying to paint as 'wrong' by GC women is GC women noticing this crap, calling it out for what it is and telling as many other women as possible about it.

Utter bollocks. Articles written about it by trans people that date back years, bloody workshops held about it, funded fucking workshops about how males with trans identities can get women to get their knickers off. If you want more links, I have the links

cf Stonewall

December 2018 Times article by Andrew Gillingham:

'Lottery thousands pay for former trans stripper to sway public opinion
After the £500,000 given to Mermaids, the same amount has gone to Stonewall to ‘empower transgender leaders’

(extract)
"Dressed only in a glittery bra and panties, Morgan Page is performing Wardrobe Changes and Four Cocks, a no-holds-barred cabaret routine about her encounters as a Toronto sex worker, including one with a trans client boasting “the world’s smallest testicular implants, the size of Cadbury’s Mini Eggs”.

Life has moved on for Page since then. Now in London, she is working for the advocacy group Stonewall on its “transgender leadership programme”, which is managing a new national lottery grant of almost £500,000. This was given to Stonewall to “empower trans leaders and organisations” with a “particular focus on leadership, media and influencing”. (continues)

Page’s activism in Canada may not assuage those feminist concerns. In 2012, amid some controversy, she ran a workshop called Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling. The “cotton ceiling” is a term used by some trans lesbian women to criticise biological lesbian women for refusing to have sex with them because they have penises. (continues)
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lottery-thousands-pay-for-former-trans-stripper-to-sway-public-opinion-6lw9xbwgr?shareToken=10e92e122d1aa44c5638be01f5233b42

It utterly disgusts me that it is 2019 and there is any debate in what lesbians are.
People with penises have been trying to lesbians for decades.
It makes zero difference to the lesbian how the penis presents. It is still a male sex organ attached to a male.
If it was homophobic and rapey when straight men tried to lesbians it is homophobic and rapey when a trans identified male tries to do it too.

I cannot quite believe that LGBT groups have sold out lesbians so badly. How badly do some of those betraying lesbians right now need money?

did we ever find out what happened at pride?

Sorry we ran out of time before the clock struck 12! It will go out tomorrow. Thanks for your interest and Twitter follows!

I'm intrigued! What time?

Sorry if I’m being dim but why does the sign saying “Lesbians don’t have penises” upset people so much? They are not advocating violence against anyone (whereas I’ve seen TRAs advocate to punch or even kill homosexual women).

Those lesbians are defining their own sexuality. They are homosexuals FFS. Get over it.

If TW and self-defined “cis” LGB people sincerely believe that lesbians do have penises, why do they care what these 8-10 women think and say?

2B apparently if you say anything that challenges their delusion that TWAW you are making transwomen feel 'unsafe', and denying their existence. Obviously this happens often when it comes to biological issues such as sexual attraction and women's health and reproductive issues. Hence the need to redefine words such as 'lesbianism' to include transwomen, and 'women' as 'menstruators' (in the context of sanitary protection).
I think I've got it right, perhaps Bespin could clarify.
In any case, it really smacks of badly brought up children to me, kids whose Mummies never told them that not everyone has to invite them to their party.

It's funny how no one ever accuses straight (or gay for that matter) men of 'using their sexuality to invalidate trans people'.

Funny how no one ever accuses gay men of using their sexuality to invalidate heterosexuals.

But obviously lesbians' sexuality invalidates heterosexual men.

Sorry if I’m being dim but why does the sign saying “Lesbians don’t have penises” upset people so much? They are not advocating violence against anyone (whereas I’ve seen TRAs advocate to punch or even kill homosexual women).

The extent of the reaction against women who accurately say 'lesbians dont have penises' when they themselves are lesbians should be cause for serious concern to all women, all parents & all responsible adults.

Watch for the tactics and determination of males (whether straight, gay or trans) to silence them.

see current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3621355-Supporting-our-lesbian-sisters-THREAD-EDITED-BY-MNHQ-AT-OPS-REQUEST

Last years' Pride London protest by 'Get the L Out'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301033-Get-the-L-Out-Statement-by-the-lesbian-protesters-at-Pride-London

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3337090-Get-the-L-Out-Interviewed-by-Let-a-Woman-Speak

March 2019 OP howonearthdidwegethere wrote:
"Fantastic report from Get The L Out - please share widely
Just seen this on Twitter. It charts the experiences of lesbians in the LGBT community, evidence of the cotton ceiling etc.

www.gettheloutuk.com/blog/category/research/lesbians-at-ground-zero.html "

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3547287-Fantastic-report-from-Get-The-L-Out-please-share-widely

Dr Julia Long
'Transgenderism & Lesbian Erasure' August 2018

from FairplayForWomen guest post by Greater Manchester ReSisters.

'Are Lesbians Welcome at Pride? The answer at Lancaster Pride is no'
(Extract)
We conducted our protest peacefully, using a handheld megaphone to speak from our vantage point of high visibility across the main square. All of our speech was factual and did not express hate, or include swearing or personal insults. We called out, ‘lesbians matter!’ ‘Lesbian rights matter,’ ‘lesbians don’t have penises’ and, ‘pro woman not anti trans!’

Initially, passers-by mainly watched and listened, then people started to approach us to try to get us to desist in an initially condescending, then increasingly aggressive manner.

A crowd began to gather on the other side of the road, making rude hand gestures, shouting and swearing angrily at us. Within minutes, around 40 people had surged right to the top of the steps, and surrounded us, chanting over us, and holding up flags to block our signs from public view.

Local aspiring Labour politician Dominic Casoria boasted on twitter that he led the group to “stand in front of the transphobes” and “drown them out”. This tweet got 4,000 likes including from many luminaries of the LGBT establishment.

Jan Gooding, the Chair of Stonewall tweeted, “thank you. Exactly the right instinct!”.

Steve Taylor, Board Member of Europride and and Head of Special Projects at Pride in London tweeted “My #Pride heroes of the day are the amazing young people at @LancasterPride who surrounded the transphobes to obscure them from view”.

Tim Roache the General Secretary of the GMB Union, Ruth Hunt of Stonewall and Emma Dunn of the civil service “agender” network also tweeted their approval, Emma Dunn retweeting a message calling us TERFS.

Pamela Richie of the Women’s Equality Party said, “I’m grateful to people standing up to hate speech in our streets in a peaceful way.”

Mermaid’s Head of Marketing Helen Islan, who earlier this year notably attempted to prosecute Transsexual Miranda Yardley for hate speech against Transwomen, meanwhile called our statements, “exclusionary propaganda”

However as the video shows we were simply a small group of lesbian women calling for the sexual orientation of same-sex attracted females to be respected. There was no hate speech. Female homosexuality should not be an unutterable taboo, especially within the very community tasked with representing us.

Contrary to the many laudatory messages on Twitter, the atmosphere of the counterprotest was neither peaceful nor respectful. Nor did it appear to be spontaneous. While most of the people who surrounded us were teenagers seemingly excited to be part of a protesting tribe, it is evident from the video that there are older people who come in through the back of the crowd and encourage them. “Miss Ivy Rose” a drag queen who was part of the official entertainment also leads the young people in the chant ‘Transwomen matter!’ (continues)

fairplayforwomen.com/pride/

video embedded in article

So yes I counted 5 actual lesbians.

The kids screaming and blocking their way - who knows? Certainly keen to erase lesbians.