Lancaster Pride 19 Expose

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What happens when a group of lesbian show up on the steps of Lancaster Town hall on Pride day with megaphone and banners emblazoned with the words 'Lesbians don't have penises' & 'Lesbian = female homoSEXual ?

Find out tomorrow when Resisters United release our side of the story.

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then they have committed a criminal offence.

I don't see anyone ever charged for the balaclava and smoke bombs that have previously been displayed by these 'real' lesbians. Do you?

And yet, people have been visited by the police and held in cells for 'misgendering'.

Almost as if there is some privilege going on here.

SpitefulBreasts

There not marginalising trans people by not sleeping with them, people that say that are wrong. happy now.

I don't see anyone ever charged for the balaclava and smoke bombs that have previously been displayed by these 'real' lesbians. Do you?

wearing a balaclava not a criminal offence, smoke bombs, a bit harder as maybe seen as an offence if causing injury, was there an injury? I dont know i was not there so hard to tell.

Almost as if there is some privilege going on here.

You know that idea when people feel that the state is controlled by 0.5% of the population in a marginalised group when it is clearly controlled by the 5% with all the wealth and power.

What happens when the men kick their steps out from underneath them

then they have committed a criminal offence

What happens if a man claiming to be a woman attacks a woman in a women’s toilet?

then they have committed a criminal offence

Yes.... I definitely see a parallel here. And the women can ‘just report it’ and everything will be fine.

There not marginalising trans people by not sleeping with them

Right. So if they are protesting the cotton ceiling and you agree that refusing the cotton ceiling is not marginalising trans people, why would trans people feel the need to counter protest them?

Riddle me that one, Bespin.

wearing a balaclava not a criminal offence, smoke bombs, a bit harder as maybe seen as an offence if causing injury, was there an injury? I dont know i was not there so hard to tell.

It's this that abusers use as a tactic to pretend they are not abusing their victims.

I can't see bruises, can you see bruises, well if neither of us can see bruises then nothing could have happened right?

Why does anyone have the right to dictate to someone else who they find sexually attractive?

Some people have very "sick" sexual attractions ie children. It is illegal for them to act on it (thank goodness) but that is who/what they are attracted to...

I am attracted to some men, would it be ok to say I have to be attracted to woman? To say I have to be attracted to transwomen? To say that I have to be attracted to all men?

the 5% with all the wealth and power

These are the people who are backing the extremist trans agenda.

Bespin
Well, that's an answer, but it's not the answer to the question I asked. Please try and explain how trans people are affected and marginalised by Lesbian women not wanting to have sex with men.

SpitefulBreasts

There not we have never said that they are, the idea of the cotton ceiling was not created by us, its a term that was used by GC people and was perpetuated by them. I am always sad when younger trans people take this on, as in reality it is not true. Thats not to say that some people dont try to have sex with people and dont like being turned down. But it is not a systemic thing within trans communities. Some people are idiots no matter there gender.

the idea of the cotton ceiling was not created by us, its a term that was used by GC people and was perpetuated by them

Lesbians did not create the term Cotton Ceiling.

The do not use their knickers to keep men out.

How in any way can you type this absolute nonsense.

Unless you are a gender critical plant trying to show up the Trans Agenda for what it is.

In which case, keep up the good work.

Wail....I want to know what happened in Lancaster

No sorry Eaudear if thats ok with you. its my view and i dont feel that it needs to be justified, just as i am not asking you to justify yours.

Your point of view is absolutely and objectively wrong, so no, don't bother justifying it. Your point of view is beyond loathsome, so either change it or go and hang your head in shame.

the idea of the cotton ceiling was not created by us, its a term that was used by GC people and was perpetuated by them

This is from 2012, Bespin.

<a class="break-all" href="http://web.archive.org/web/20120722002609/pleasureandpossibilities.com:80/programming/workshop-descriptions" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20120722002609/pleasureandpossibilities.com:80/programming/workshop-descriptions

medium.com/@notCursedE/the-cotton-ceiling-dd4eda2aed46

Just to save others the trouble of reading the link:

It’s literally just a name for the concept of using your sexuality as a way of denying trans women’s womanhood; ie “I would never have sex with a trans woman, I’m a lesbian and don’t like men”.

Well, yes, precisely. That is indeed the whole fucking point. Lesbians are same sex attracted, and you know what, in 2019, I thought we'd got to the point as a society where we were all fine with that. But apparently not.

In one sense, however, it's correct as an analysis. This is one of these instances where the personal is the political. Sexual preferences are the point at which even a lot of otherwise woke people can't keep up the pretence anymore (hence the phrase used of lefty dude bros who don't see transwomen or trnasmen as "relationship material" - "inclusionary in the tweets, exclusionary between the sheets.")

However, it's not that the denial of sex is done for the sole reason that people want to use it to argue TW aren't W. Rather, it's because in their heart of hearts 90% (or whatever that Penis News commissioned survey revealed was the case) of people don't think that TWAW, and most people's sexuality, whether gay or straight, is about genitals (not in a reductive way, but as a necessary but not sufficient condition for dating people).

The term 'cotton ceiling' was invented by a trans porn star. It's all about how lesbians can be persuaded to have sex with transwomen. The cotton refers to underwear.

I think some people don't understand that any social pressure at all on people to sleep with people they don't want to is coercion in and of itself. Applied to a marginalised group like lesbians in the context of social shaming and peer group pressure its even worse.

Therefore the whole concept of the cotton ceiling, which is a transactivist one, is deeply coercive.

Morgan M Page - Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling: Breaking Down Sexual Barriers for Queer Trans Women.

This has just been mentioned by R0wentrees on another thread - so I'm just reproducing it here, as it has become relevant on this thread.

A detransitioned FTM has spoken at length about their experiences with Morgan M Page:

'My Trans Youth Group Experience with Morgan Page'
(extract)
"Most of the time, the Trans Youth Group attendees were majority MTFs and “nonbinary” (NB) males. There was an upper age limit (somewhere between 21-25) but it was a pretty small group, usually fewer than 10 people; so when people aged out they just stuck around. I guess others learned that the age limit wasn’t being enforced because more and more older (30-40 year old) MTFs started to join.

I remember one day, there were three MTFs over 40 who were hitting on the teen FTMs, very explicitly. It was obviously making us uncomfortable, but almost no one ever said anything, only changed the topic or tried to engage them in a conversation away from us. The only time I remember them being asked to leave was when Morgan was a way and the group was led by an FTM substitute.

It was very common for the group to discuss the logistics of sex before and after SRS, kinky sex, and erotic fanfiction. I remember Morgan asking the three teens in the room, including me, if we were comfortable talking about this, but obviously we weren’t going to say no now that the conversation had already been started by these older people. I know of at least three FTMs who entered into relationships with older MTFs while in this group, all of which seemed very unhealthy to me. To me, FTMs under 18 dating or sleeping with (usually kinky) MTFs over 20 seemed very sexually exploitative. Healthy boundaries between adults and minors were foreign to this group, much like in the greater queer and trans community."

I think some people don't understand that any social pressure at all on people to sleep with people they don't want to is coercion in and of itself. Applied to a marginalised group like lesbians in the context of social shaming and peer group pressure its even worse.

Therefore the whole concept of the cotton ceiling, which is a transactivist one, is deeply coercive.

This.

That moment when you have to reference Cursed E to back up your points.

I mean, come on. That is one of the most vilest woman hating men on the fucking planet.

I didn’t realise that the appalling treatment of lesbians by official LGBT orgs dated back to 2012 (at least in Canada).

That “Cotton Ceiling” workshop was part of a wider conference held to tell “c*s” lesbians how marginalised their trans sisters were, and how much in need of improved “sexual health.”

But it’s okay - that workshop was not condoning coercion of any sort. It merely explained that for “c*s” lesbians to not have sex with TW is transphobic, since TWAW. Phew.

But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be critical of our sexual preferences and the beliefs which inform them

There was a lesbian poster on here a while back who berated straight women for not considering why they are straight, which is just as bad as berating lesbians for not considering trans partners.

We need only be critical of our sexual preferences and the beliefs which inform them if our sexual preferences involve any of:
Children
Animals
Non- consenting partners
Activity likely to cause injury or death
Doing it in public before an audience who has not consented to see it.

That article by Cursed E is creepy as fuck.

I've tried to read it before, but I can never get to the end of it, because it turns my stomach.