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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Now a malory towers tomboy was trans

120 replies

peachsquish · 26/06/2019 12:26

{https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/25/malory-towers-enid-blytons-tomboy-bill-actually-transgender/}

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PartisanPatisserie · 26/06/2019 12:31

FFS!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/06/2019 12:33

You need two sets of two double brackets this , but only in the OP, after that they are automatically converted. Wink

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/25/malory-towers-enid-blytons-tomboy-bill-actually-transgender/

But yes, that story is ridiculous

OldCrone · 26/06/2019 12:33

“Bill is portrayed as a tomboy in the books but, thanks to the progress we have made as a society, people like Bill are now able to express their identity in other ways,”

Thanks to the progress we have made as a society, Bill shouldn't have to pretend to be a boy to do the things she wants to do. Being a girl shouldn't be as restrictive as it was in the 40s.

peachsquish · 26/06/2019 12:34

Quite, the insanity just keeps getting worse.

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ManyBoysMum · 26/06/2019 12:38

"In today’s ‘woke’ parlance, non-binary, also known as genderqueer, is, according to Wikipedia, "a spectrum of gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine‍—identities that are outside the gender-binary".
I thought that's what feminism had fought for? To not have to acquiesce to sexist stereotypes because we are female? Should we not simply be encouraging girls to reject the rules imposed upon them as to how they should behave? As the director of the new production, Emma Rice, says in the Telegraph today: “feminism is at the heart of Malory Towers”.

Why then can we not just celebrate Bill as a girl who refuses to bow to convention?"

ScaryBunnyPainting · 26/06/2019 12:38

This further perpetuates the idea that to be a girl is to be only frilly and pink.
Bill was a tomboy, Bill was a girl. Many of the girls in MT were tomboys or into sport.
It’s so regressive to say a girl who is anything other than pink and a prim is A BOY.

What does this say to our daughters? You must live your life within the very narrow confines of what some prats have determined girlhood to be and if you dare step outside them then you must be a boy?
My rugby playing daughter is going to be very confused.

Enid Blyton was one of the worst things to ever happen to Malory Towers.
A slight spin on that now famous JK Rowling tweet from earlier this week.

Rebel girls, rebel.

Juells · 26/06/2019 12:42

FFS

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/06/2019 13:32

No, girls not performing femininity are girls not performing femininity. Not men. There's a lot of us about. See George from the Famous Five -everything she ever says about 'wanting to be a boy' is just wanting to do things social boundaries discouraged for girls.

Liberation happened: women get to do anything they want. They don't have to turn in to men to do it. God this stupid, regressive crap gets so tedious.

SunsetBeetch · 26/06/2019 13:35

Oh FUCK off

CuriousaboutSamphire · 26/06/2019 13:36

Well.. that's me scuppered.

AccioWine · 26/06/2019 13:39

Oh god, they're going to go after George next, aren't they?
Who knew Enid Blyton was so woke? Hmm

IsadoraQuagmire · 26/06/2019 13:41

"The progress we have made as a society " my ARSE! What utter crap!

Erythronium · 26/06/2019 13:43

Tomboys were important role models in stories for girls, but now they're boys. This is so wrong.

SunsetBeetch · 26/06/2019 13:45

I was a tomboy when I was young, and did say things like "I wish I was a boy". Did I literally mean it? Of course not!

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/06/2019 13:47

They've tried transing Mulan - which misses the whole point of Mulan spectacularly. But then these are not people with the faintest understanding of women or girls.

I was musing through the Chalet School - Tom Gay you could argue had dysphoria but probably would have settled as a butch lesbian in adulthood. But where would you put the line because the Chalet girls aren't that bothered by performing femininity - really, few girls or women are. Are the ones with short hair climbing cliffs and trees and doing woodwork transworthy? The St Trinians girls robbed and hijacked trains as I remember, while blowing things up and brewing gin. Are they all boys really?

Of course the whole thing is perfectly academic anyway, as a biological female can adopt any subjective label and view of themselves they choose: they still remain, forever, an unchanged biological female. The only thing all biological females have in common IS their biology.

Sparklywolf · 26/06/2019 13:51

Surely the most valid interpretation is that of End Blyton, who was clear Bill was a girl?

Even leaving aside that absurdity has anyone told this scriptwriter that she is adapting a work of fiction not a biography? Only she seems to believe it's a real life that's up for reinterpretation.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 26/06/2019 13:53

I feel a little sick at this grovelling, pathetic, pawing at Pride.
It's so distasteful and needy. It is also absolutely nonsensical.

I can't even find the words to illustrate how fucking STRANGE it is.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 26/06/2019 13:54

^ Wrong thread, sorry!

but still, the same sentiment persists for those who can't fucking leave it alone and insist on this ridiculous post mortem transing of fictional characters. What's fucking wrong with them?

Pannalash · 26/06/2019 13:56

For fucks sake now I’ve heard it all Angry

1984in2019 · 26/06/2019 13:57

FFS

A tomboy is a valid identity. I was one.

DuckWillow · 26/06/2019 14:02

Blimey! What a leap to make. And there was I happily picturing Bill and Clarissa in a settled lesbian relationship running their riding school.

Bill trans though? No....not convinced.

Why does she have to be trans? Why can’t she just be happy wearing what she wants and being herself?

If that choice is trans fair enough but I’m not certain she is.

Goosefoot · 26/06/2019 14:02

I've noticed this seems to come up particularly when there is a girl or woman who is using a traditionally male name. Like Michael in Discovery.

NotTerfNorCis · 26/06/2019 14:02

Girls rebelling against restrictive gender roles are actually male. How progressive. Hmm It sounds like a trope from Medieval times.