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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Now a malory towers tomboy was trans

120 replies

peachsquish · 26/06/2019 12:26

{https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/25/malory-towers-enid-blytons-tomboy-bill-actually-transgender/}

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Debenhamshandtowel · 26/06/2019 16:35

The school uniform is the wrong colour. It should be brown with an orange sash.

Spectacularly misses point...

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/06/2019 16:36

NB doesn't usually satisfy the mob. TMs don't usually satisfy the mob either.

Wizbetisanizbet · 26/06/2019 16:38

@Debenhamshandtowel but true. Makes me wonder if they actually read the books or got the cliff notes version from Wikipedia.

RuffleCrow · 26/06/2019 16:46

This effectively transes all tomboys. Bill was a fictional character jnvented by a dead woman and therefore unable to argue with this rubbish.

I always felt Enid Blyton portrayed tomboy characters mainly as a code for lesbianism tbh. I don't think that's projection, i think that was the only way for her to convey something so important at that particular time. But under the New Trans Order we can't have that, can we?!

Binglebong · 26/06/2019 17:03

Thanks Scary. Can't believe I missed that classic!

Imnobody4 · 26/06/2019 17:20

Please don't let them get their hands on the 'Turbulent Term of Tyke Tyler', please, please, please. Gene Kemp said Tyke was modelled on the feisty girls she taught in a northern Primary school, so perhaps she'll benefit from the northern exemption from docile femininity.

allabouteve1 · 26/06/2019 17:26

I was excited to take my DD to this before seeing this article. I loved MT growing up was a complete Tom boy and identified with Bill in wanting to be able to do all the things my brothers did ( which I was encouraged to by my parents) why can't a female character have masculine traits without gender coming into it. Bollocks was Bill trans she just didn't conform which was wonderful to read.

Jellylegsni · 26/06/2019 17:28

I loved Bill's character when I was younger. I wanted to be her. I read the books again as an adult and thought she was in a lesbian relationship with the other one...Carlotta I think was her name. And I thought that was pretty cool. Actually on reading the books again I realised that most of the girl's would be considered tomboys by today's standards. The odd few characters who were considered to be too into their looks were looked down upon for being vain.

How can these trendy gender crew people not see that they are pushing the rights of women and girls backwards? I don't get it. Some I think most be well aware of what they're doing, but some genuinely have fallen for the tripe. It's a really sad reflection of how pornography and social media has warped the view of what it means to be female and left us with such a narrow box that younger people honestly believe if they are not like Kim Kardashian (sorry to use her as an example but it's the only name I can think of), then they must not be a true woman. Not just that, but also this desire to be in a box. It seems like some kind of tribalism. It's like the American highschool clichés of I'm a goth/jockey/mean girl/geek/whatever, but being continued by people who really should be old enough to know better.

Jellylegsni · 26/06/2019 17:31

Would anyone kindly be able to post Julie Bindel's article about this please?

Hoppinggreen · 26/06/2019 17:35

Wasn’t Mallory Towers a girls school? so Bill would be a girl

RuffleCrow · 26/06/2019 17:43

Yy @jellylegsni it's just another example of how this 'movement' misappropriates women's history at every turn. Enid Blyton was bisexual so she had every reason to want to write about lesbian relationships. It's similar to the way they attempted to trans Ann Lister. Thank god for the TV series setting the record 'straight'.

Gingerkittykat · 26/06/2019 18:09

I grew up with the Secret Seven and the Famous Five and wanted to be George. Who would want to be drippy Anne when you could climb trees and fight the baddies with the boys.

The Secret Seven was worse, the girls would sit in the shed making hot blackcurrant for the boys when they came back from their adventures.

Ridiculous casting a young man, even if he calls himself non binary, in the role. If they wanted to go down the non binary route then there must be plenty of female non binary actors out there.

The girly girls were always sneered at, and I always felt a deep sense of disappointment and unfairness reading the books because the girls never got to do the fun stuff.

nonsenceagain · 26/06/2019 18:16

I’m extraordinarily angry about this. It’s ahistorical and dishonest and not in the spirit of the books. Characters like Bill meant so much to me when I was little. I was like them, a tomboy, and happy with it. I was not trans and neither was Bill. Angry

magicstar1 · 26/06/2019 18:27

Its sickening! I was a total tomboy....I’m 44 now, married (to a man) and still a tomboy. I ride a motorbike, my name is shortened to what could be a male name, I don’t do pink and frilly...maybe I’m actually a trans man and haven’t realised. FFS.

JellySlice · 26/06/2019 18:32

The character announces: “I’ve never in my life been called Wilhelmina. Ever. It’s a frightful name. Everyone calls me Bill… If you all start calling me Wilhelmina I shall be miserable. I shan’t feel I’m myself.”

I totally 'got' Bill, as this was me. I have always been called by my nickname, which most people consider to be a male name, and felt uncomfortable and strange when people insisted on using my full name. And I was a tomboy with no patience for the primping Zereldas and Gwendolines (though I was obsessed with Airfix, not horses).

Bill and I were girls.

OldCrone · 26/06/2019 19:08

Ridiculous casting a young man, even if he calls himself non binary, in the role. If they wanted to go down the non binary route then there must be plenty of female non binary actors out there.

Is the non binary actor male or female?

bellinisurge · 26/06/2019 19:10

So it's woke to deny the existence of tomboys. And lesbians? Post-menopausal women?

BlueCornsihPixie · 26/06/2019 19:22

The whole point of bill, and the whole of malorie towers actually is that she was a girl but acted like a boy. Showing that girls can be sporty, they can cut their hair short, they can call themselves boys names, be whatever they want to be, and still be girls. By making Bill trans you are saying only boys can be like this. It's a really shit message to send to young girls.

We did have language to describe Bill, girl. Bill was just a girl. Bill was completely herself, and completely happy being herself. And that was an excellent message to send.

LinoleumBlownapart · 26/06/2019 19:28

girls can be sporty, they can cut their hair short, they can call themselves boys names, be whatever they want to be, and still be girls. By making Bill trans you are saying only boys can be like this. It's a really shit message to send to young girls.
^ This 1000 times

hazeyjane · 26/06/2019 19:34

Oh how fucking disappointing. Characters like Bill were the saving of young me.
How to utterly shit on all those great female characters that didn't fit into a pink and frilly mould.

placemats · 26/06/2019 19:34

Bill is a girl.

End of.

Now can men just piss off.

hazeyjane · 26/06/2019 19:35

We did have language to describe Bill, girl. Bill was just a girl. Bill was completely herself, and completely happy being herself. And that was an excellent message to send.
This, exactly this.

placemats · 26/06/2019 19:39

Bill and George were role models to me.

They were both girls like myself.

Now. Once again. Men, piss off.

placemats · 26/06/2019 19:47

all through my life I've known boys/men who would have been considered effeminate and there's nought wrong with that. They all married and had children bar the last one who is only 24 and my beautiful nephew.

It's men who are pushing this agenda enabled by a few women.

Yes, MEN and WOMEN.

Binary exists. GET OVER IT!

placemats · 26/06/2019 19:52

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1143833525420011520

Sorry, I'm really angry about this.

As one twitter response says:

'It's almost like saying girls cannot be different.'

Men who understand that girls and women can be different are those you can rely on.

The rest can piss off.