Now a malory towers tomboy was trans

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{https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/25/malory-towers-enid-blytons-tomboy-bill-actually-transgender/}

Oh mY gOD!

Here's a woman playing bass guitar and singing a song that was once sung by a man. Quick! Call the gender police!

It's the whole subhuman thing again isn't it? It's men thinking any being that thinks like them or does things like them or shows feelings they relate to can't be female, because females are just ciphers. It's also the whole 'c*s' thing about women supposedly choose their oppression and embrace inequality and disempowerment when they don't identify out of being female. There is Anne from the Famous Five and anyone less service droid than that must be male, because it makes the female box too uncomfortable for that male to tolerate.

One wishes really that men and the Woke would just piss off out of women and girls' specific things like this and their retrospective commandeering and refocusing them to ensure men stake a claim in that space too. While simultaneously wrecking it for women and girls.

Either that or I suggest a major female hostile takeover bid of The Dirty Dozen, the Great Escape and all Star Wars movies. Han Solo was so obviously a woman.

I'd love a female take on

The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.

Bill was partly inspired by Enid's daughter, Imogen, who was also horse-mad. There's a suggestion that she also inspired June.

Darrell was entirely based on her other daughter, Gillian. In fact, Malory Towers was written for Gillian when she started school at Benenden.

George, of the Famous Five, was Enid herself.

There was never a suggestion that any of them were trans.

The Telegraph newspaper headline: "New staging of Enid Blyton's Malory Towers story suggests 'tomboy' Bill is really transgender".

Bill is not really transgender. Bill is a fictional character.

FFS.

My kids were never into Blyton as I was (I lived and breathed her books and completely identified as George, I wanted to change my name and everything - nowadays I would obviously be trans)

But I liked the idea of still reading them to my kids despite the sexism I can see in them now, precisely because it provided an opportunity to discuss it. “See, George thinks she has to be a boy to do all that stuff, but we know that’s not true, girls can wear what they want and climb trees etc...”

Progress. My. Arse. 😡😡😡

Is the non binary actor male or female?
In that photo, the furthest one on the left looks like a boy in a dress. Not because it might be a girl with short hair, it's not. It's clearly a boy with short hair in a dress.

so, on top of everything else, a woman or girl has lost out on this part to this individual

They look female to me.

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Here's a woman playing bass guitar and singing a song that was once sung by a man. Quick! Call the gender police!

It's a very interesting cover but that isn't a bass guitar.

It's clearly a boy with short hair in a dress.

Here's the trailer for Vinnie's solo show She's A Good Boy, linked from here: www.vinnieheaven.com/shes-a-good-boy.html

Looks and sounds female to me.

Such crap. She was more feminine than my sister. My woman sister. The one who is a lesbian and a woman. That’s W O M A N. Prats.

Oh ok maybe I was wrong looking at that one photo, and the actor is female, but she must be useing binders or something.

Vinnie looks female to me. The show looks dire.

I believe Vinnie is female, which is about the only saving grace in this shitshow.

@AccioWine if they lay a finger on George I'll fucking have them!

I think you’re all missing the main point. Gwendoline was actually a transgirl. That’s why she was so fascinated with brushing her long blonde hair a hundred times a day and was terribly reluctant to tie it back.

Obviously it was the forties, so Blyton couldn’t mention the fact that she stuffed rolled up stockings down her brassiere every morning, but at least Mallory Towers were following Stoneball’s protocols and made all the girls sleep in a dorm together.

Elise/Vinnie in that video you say gender is a social construct, and I think we need to talk about this

So, so close.

Vinnie/Elise - yep, your biological sex is your sex, everything else is a social construct.

Many of us here would also would like to talk about this. But we get shut down by others telling us we're wrong.

Many of us here would love to explore that social construct of gender, instead of shoving everyone who doesn't fit into those restrictive 'social construct' boxes and face being retro-transed even in literature.

Come on Vinnie, you're so close!

How fucking dare they do this?

How dare they suggest that a girl who doesn't conform to bullshit stereotypes isn't actually a girl?

Often the rebuke is 'being trans isn't just about not conforming to gender stereotypes you know, it's much more than that'. This kind of crap just proves that that is utter bullshit. If you don't conform, you are not a proper girl. Well fuck them.

I'm so cross about this, I wish they would all just FUCK OFF!!!

'I think you’re all missing the main point. Gwendoline was actually a transgirl. That’s why she was so fascinated with brushing her long blonde hair a hundred times a day and was terribly reluctant to tie it back.

Obviously it was the forties, so Blyton couldn’t mention the fact that she stuffed rolled up stockings down her brassiere every morning, but at least Mallory Towers were following Stoneball’s protocols and made all the girls sleep in a dorm together.'

Thanks for this. I needed it.

Why the hell are we telling girls that they must really be boys if they do femininity 'wrong'? How the fuck is that progressive?

We had words to describe people like Bill. Girls.

Bill might have been a lesbian. Tom Gay might have been a lesbian. All the GO characters who borrowed their brother's clothes and shortened their names (or chose a stereotypically boy one) might have been lesbians. But authors and readers knew that they were girls. And many readers recognised themselves in these characters and understood that they belonged in the female world. Because (for the people in the back) they were GIRLS.

Stop transing lesbian women. Stop transing tomboys. Stop taking away all our female role models.

No wonder girls today are insisting they are truly boys and asking for medication to make them so. We've taken away the alternative option -that girls and women exist who are not 'girly'.

Off topic - but is Boudicca trans now too, or are there still some female warriors in history?

I think they might already have come for Joan of Arc, so Boudicca can’t be far behind.

Women, real women, fictional women, have always, fucking always, been out in the world doing interesting, productive, dangerous and exciting things. Second-wave didn’t invent active and intelligent women, it just gave us some more words to use to describe why it was all so hard.

Our sisters have always worked hard, played hard, died hard. They’ve climbed trees and mountains and social barriers. They’ve gone to war and started wars; they’ve raised children and killed them. They’ve grown food, raised animals, built houses, started businesses and made fortunes. They’ve gone exploring on seas and in deserts and on mountains. They’ve discovered things, written things, made things and stolen things.

Everything that men did, women did too, but carrying the weight of the patriarchy on their backs. Progress for women has been like escaping the Great Molasses Flood, not because they lacked energy, courage, capability or intellect, but because they were always being held back by the sticky mess of male resistance.

And now these lily-livered, shuddering, pale-faced children and gaudy men want to steal our history from us.

Well fuck that.

Here is Sojoumer Truth saying better than I can, at the Women’s Convention in 1851.

"Dat man ober dar say dat womin needs to be helped into carriages, and lifted ober ditches, and to hab de best place everywhar. Nobody eber helps me into carriages, or ober mud-puddles, or gibs me any best place!" And raising herself to her full height, and her voice to a pitch like rolling thunder, she asked. "And a'n't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! (and she bared her right arm to the shoulder, showing her tremendous muscular power). I have ploughed, and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And a'n't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man—when I could get it—and bear de lash as well! And a'n't, I a woman? I have borne thirteen chilern, and seen 'em mos' all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And a'n't I a woman?

"Rice said she loved Blyton’s strong characters and the values she instilled in the Malory Towers girls. “Blyton may not have thought of herself as a feminist, but feminism is at the heart of Malory Towers. The girls lead their best lives in an environment of freedom and adventure… To me, they are little revolutionaries,” she said."

Anyone else noticed how that phrase is always used by trans activists about being trans? Trans Kids must be allowed to lead their best lives, trans kids and adults are urged to lead their best lives and congratulated that if they go for it they will lead their best lives.

It's part of the grooming process. Cis people lead second-best lives. Trans is better than cis. Who doesn't want to lead their best life? Trans is better than cis. Transmen are better than girls. Transwomen are better than women. Look into my eyes, don't look around the eyes . . .

Well, I have sworn long and loudly in my head re this. I didn't read many of the Mallory Towers novels but did read The Famous Five, Secret Seven and the ones about Lucy, Jack, Kiki the parrot, cannot remember the other two children. I and my sister Otepoti identified with George and who remembers Henry, or Henrietta, from one of the Famous Five books? George did not like another boyish girl appearing if I remember. Of course Bill is a girl, God I am so sick of this nonsense, talk about pushing girls back into rigid sexual stereotypes again. Away with them all.

Sorry for the fail link. Kitty Dimbleby piece about letting tomboys be tomboys.
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She needs her daughter to do dance and gymnastics as well as football - because that will balance something somewhere? (Boys also do dance and there are male gymnastics competitions too...)

And anyone else notice that short hair on little girls is usually above the shoulders, but heaven forfend a girl have a stereotypically 'boy' short haircut.

Which Bill does, in the books. As do many other female characters in GO literature. Manly haircuts, and yet they are still - for those at the back - GIRLS.

when DD got her hair cut into a bob, like the child in that DM piece, one of the girls in her class said she had a boys' haircut . Are these kids bloody blind? Show me the boy with a chin length bob!!