"cis women need to put on their big dick panties and try harder."

[AnduinsGirl]

Fucking hell. I belong to a child-free group on Fb. Fairly good craic even though I don't agree with some stuff on there. Majority in the group probably women in their early 20's. Someone asked yesterday what people thought about Trans woman competing in women's sports and ohhhh my god. The number of women sabotaging themselves with comments such as the one in my title. Wtf is going on? :( I know you'll find uber-wokes in all corners of the internet but God it makes me sad. How are some women so utterly gullible? Apologies - nothing new to add to the debate, I'm much more a reader than a poster but I feel very deflated right now.

It’s a collective madness. It will pass.

I hope so, anyway!

To be fair, I thought I was equal to all and feminism was over until I was pregnant with my first child. Then I suddenly smashed up against the invisible walls of the patriarchy, like a sparrow flying into a closed patio door.

I also used to think I was equal to all and feminism was over until I got older and gained weight and suddenly realised what my worth was in society.

Perhaps you could just point out that a lot of men would take their comment so at face value and not recognise the humour?

twitter.com/AthenaNike4/status/1141315785043927040

Includes some eye-opening comparisons between boys' and girls' performances at various running distances.

I also thought equality was a done deal but it now feels like we stalled a few years ago. Role back on reproductive rights in the states and total disregard for women's safe spaces make me question if we are in fact in reverse and gathering speed.

I'd like to hope DuMondeB is right about the collective madness passing but some days I lose faith that it will.

I've come across young people so convinced of equality in all things between men and women that it hasn't dawned on them that sex differences confer any advantage on males, let alone that strength difference might have had some influence on women's inferior status over the centuries. If they've noticed it they've put it down to acculturation. (And we're still partly reaping the harvest from second wavers who refused to acknowledge there were weaknesses involved with periods or recovering from childbirth.) So it's possible that some young people really believe that women could run as fast as men, throw as far, jump as high etc etc, if only they tried harder.

They watch too many women taking down men in hand-to-hand combat or running side-by-side with them away from bad guys in films and television and if they've never had to attempt that, they have no sense how unlikely that all is.

What's funny is, to meet Hollywood standards, most of the women on film engaging in these fights are rail thin, not a biceps or a quadriceps to be seen.

Social media is equal opportunities for morons

The only possible response to such a comment is that you would love to discuss this but the word "cis" is meaningless to you and so you're unable to engage with the op. 😏

@DuMondeB
"Then I suddenly smashed up against the invisible walls of the patriarchy, like a sparrow flying into a closed patio door."

God me too

Alice Robert's initially said apart from the very top Elite athletes the issue of Transwomen in sports was a social one. Someone showed her the stats for boys and girls and that from 13 onwards boys outperform girls and the gap accelerates every year. Funnily enough she never replied.

twitter.com/AthenaNike4/status/1141315785043927040

I honestly think they’re just selfish, bad people. They don’t give a shit because it doesn’t effect THEM directly. Very few people compete in sport for living, so they’d rather just virtue signal they are inclusive etc.

If it effected them directly they’d charge their tunes very quickly.

I don't know if there are Americans in your FB group, OP, but in the US, a LOT of girls go to college on athletic scholarships -- for many families, those girls are the first ones in the family to go to college.

So it matters a whole hell of a lot if boys start winning secondary school level championships and start taking slots and scholarships on university women's teams.

I was a bit of a ninny in my early 20s too. My entire vibe was based on what would make me appealing to men (although OF COURSE I was a strong, confident blah blah blah). Radical feminism doesn't really appeal to men. Throwing other women under the bus definitely does.

Just pity them. They've grown up in a world that tells them that their only worth is in being decorative and kind and fluffy. In a few years, the vast majority of them will see the truth.

"I honestly think they’re just selfish, bad people. They don’t give a shit because it doesn’t effect THEM directly. Very few people compete in sport for living, so they’d rather just virtue signal they are inclusive etc.

If it effected them directly they’d charge their tunes very quickly."

This.

I think it's selfishness, too. They aren't negatively affected by it directly and they just want to appear woke.

Do young women not experience the relentless sexual harassment I got when I was younger? I'm sure they do. I've always been a feminist so I don't remember a time when I thought this was okay, how can women not notice?

Do young women not experience the relentless sexual harassment I got when I was younger? I'm sure they do. I've always been a feminist so I don't remember a time when I thought this was okay, how can women not notice

Subconsciously they’ll probably think it’s their fault.

I'd put money on them all being the sort of women who don't play sport or if they do, play a niche sport where either physicality doesn't matter so much, or where the sport has so much engrained sexism that "cultural factors putting women off" is almost a plausible explanation.

I used to play women's football. There undoubtedly are huge cultural factors at work. For example, as the mother of a DS my experience is that approximately 50% of boys play football obsessively from when they can walk until the age it dawns on them they'll never play in the Premiership, whereas with girls it's closer to 1%. This means women's football has a much smaller pool of talent to choose from. It also explains the spectacular improvement in women's football over the last 25 years. It's gone from being a game where you could play at the top levels even if you weren't a natural athlete (the old cliché of men's pub football, the fat bloke with good ball skills - my ex's description of himself), to being a game where you have to have both at the top levels (compare the current women's world cup with the first women's FA cup to be televised). And remember the base line women's football is clawing its way back from is a 60 year ban (imposed by men in suits) on playing on FA pitches.

So I can see why some women construct this "we can catch up if we try hard enough" fairy tale. But if you look at a sport where the women's pro game has been there for 50 years, tennis, you quickly realize that there are physical discrepancies which no amount of hard work and talent remove.

And it's not just elite levels where this matters. Put a single male forward on a rugby pitch even at amateur level and the women will be coming off the pitch on stretchers.

It always strikes me as a curious contradiction that these women seem to want to say "if we admit to differences in strength and speed between men and women the whole edifice of feminism will come tumbling down" but at the same time are so ready to embrace the concept of "lady brains".

Another perspective.

I do not know any properly right on people at this stage in my life.

Almost everyone I have chatted to on this topic as it relates to prisons or women's sport has looked somewhere between uncomfortable and horrified.

Except for one young woman who went to an all girls' school where she has absorbed the ethos that women can do anything. Which in terms of her career trajectory right now has done amazing things for her. And no she has never chosen to do a sport.

Aren’t most women childfree in their early 20s?

Is it just me that hates the word "panties"?

A creepy man's word?

More broadly than just with respect to feminism, I think all this positive thinking / growth mindset bollocks has a lot to answer for.

It's privatising struggle and denying systemic factors and is a huge part of the way young people are brought up (though often for well meaning reasons).

So you get a load of magical thinkers who are all "deep down we can all fly". When of course you can't fly, you're filled with self loathing and a sense of failure. Easier to pretend your identifying as a flyer than face up to all this, till there is physically no choice, and then it turns into depression. All these young people are wildly oscilliating between aggressively judgemental optimism, and falling off a cliff of miserable mental illness.

I fucking hate positivity. I mean it has its place but I am constantly being shunned at work as Debbie Downer when my message isn't supposed to be "we'll never do this" but "please can we take a proper look at the risks we have to manage to be able to do this". It's out of control.

DuMonde yes, it was like a bucket of cold water over my head. The party was well and truly over.

I agree there is an optimum point if positivity, and beyond that is delusion, risk and self-denial...a very negative path to go down.

Also eeeeuuw over the word panties although its an americanism, its not used here in the uk that I've heard.

I really would have to block people pushing their agenda on women (like forcibly applying terms on the group women ).

Call her on it OP, make it clear that its entirely unnecessary and serving to promote that agenda upon women by changing our own group name [or trying to].

Not having it. As a group of young women, they have been sold this along with their nice feminine socialising, et voila!

Start reversing this trend at every turn, whilst giving full respect to those who do genuinely suffer from dysphoria, in all its forms.

If it gives you any hope that things are slowly improving Fermats kick off has just commenced here for WNRL (Women’s National Rugby League) State of Origin. Prime time on a Friday night.
DS2 has insisted on watching massive NRL fan who after watching last years Women’s game was really impressed with their talent and toughness. “Excellent the Women are playing, we have a good chance of beating QLD this time, the blokes are useless.”

Better get back to it. Happy Friday.
GO THE BLUES 🤞🏻