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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"cis women need to put on their big dick panties and try harder."

59 replies

AnduinsGirl · 20/06/2019 18:21

Fucking hell. I belong to a child-free group on Fb. Fairly good craic even though I don't agree with some stuff on there. Majority in the group probably women in their early 20's. Someone asked yesterday what people thought about Trans woman competing in women's sports and ohhhh my god. The number of women sabotaging themselves with comments such as the one in my title. Wtf is going on? :( I know you'll find uber-wokes in all corners of the internet but God it makes me sad. How are some women so utterly gullible? Apologies - nothing new to add to the debate, I'm much more a reader than a poster but I feel very deflated right now.

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TruthOnTrial · 21/06/2019 10:59

Yes, also nodding to the rude awakening that was the realisation my belief in sexual equality was merely a fantasy was a body shock.

DarkAtEndOfTunnel · 21/06/2019 11:08

What you need to do is remind these young twits of the worth of such sayings as "If you want something doing do it yourself" and "put your money where your mouth is".
An alternative method is to agree fervently, nod emphatically and tell them that clearly all previous women have been doing it all wrong and we need these amazingly amazing new young women to get out there and show us how it's done.

Either way, end goal is to get them out there competing with the men themselves. Preferably in something contact based like judo. They'll learn.

DarkAtEndOfTunnel · 21/06/2019 11:10

There are areas where women can compete with men, and there are many many areas where we can wipe them into the floor. Direct physical competition on grounds of strength is not one of them. It's ludicrous to even suggest it.

FermatsTheorem · 21/06/2019 11:11

They are Dana. I was lucky enough to be in the crowd at my local rugby stadium this year when we set a record for the largest crowd come specifically to see a women's Six Nations match.

Very much hoping my local club will be in the women's superleague being planned by the English RFU (I am going to buy season tickets if it comes good!)

But rugby is a sport which is particularly vulnerable to the woke-istas campaign. If they get their way and transwomen get included, it will simply become too dangerous to play.

(In the UK, youth football can be mixed right up to 18: for rugby the cut off is 11.)

DanaPhoenix · 21/06/2019 11:49

Yes it is vulnerable to the wokenistas. I stopped watching NRL men’s due to what I found was the hypocrisy of those in charge. Promotion of women’s rounds (not women actually playing) a lot of rhetoric only to turn a blind eye to some of the appalling behaviour of the players, rape, domestic violence, general misogyny. They make examples of the odd token player usually for drunken night club brawls or drugs, but when it a “talent” excuses are made.

I can definitely see them being inclusive to prove their progressive cred.

Hope your club makes the super league.

RunningWild12 · 21/06/2019 12:01

Would they say that to Serena William’s face? So insulting to women have trained to an elite level in sport to be told it’s not good enough.
And why are these young women viewing themselves as some kind of subset of men? We are women/girls, full and complete human beings in our own right. Not lesser men. We face violence and discrimination because of our sex.
We fought to have our sports to suit us, our bodies. You let men in, there are no women’s sports.

JustPurple · 21/06/2019 12:11

Rugby already does allow trans players in female leagues Fermat.
It is on a case by case basis but not only can trans women play in female leagues, trans men can (and do) even after they've began taking T.

Were simply not allowed to mention or discuss it because you're told your fear of being seriously hurt it bigoted.

ScottishDoll · 21/06/2019 12:24

I think that sort of comment needs proper assessment.

cis women need to put on their big dick panties and try harder.

Sorry I am really confused by this do you mean "Women need to put on a strap on dildo to run faster?" How does that work, I am not familiar with the mechanics of such "panties"? Obviously I have been aware of issues raised by The IAAF, Martina Navratilova, Sharron Davies etc but am completely at a loss on the topic of "big dick panties". Would you care to elaborate?

TruthOnTrial · 21/06/2019 12:55

Im also unable to comprehend what the hell 'big-dick-panties' mean.

To me that says underwear for men (I borrowing an american expression for womens knickers).

Mysogynistic also the inference of size of dick.

Mysogyny is unhealthy for women, yes, but men also.

Promoting stereotypes of male genital size etc. Like oggling/exploiting women with large boobs

ScottishDoll · 21/06/2019 13:02

Critical analysis is a dying art. The more we can all do to promote active engagement of brain cells in language application the better Grin

TheInebriati · 21/06/2019 13:03

'Panties' is an Americanism and so I would just assume the person who said it is an American male troll.

Would they direct the same comment to trans people? If they think it would be insulting then they shouldn't say it to women.

FeministCat · 21/06/2019 13:05

Isn’t it interesting their answer is to put in their big “dick” panties. That alone shows their own internal misogyny - it’s the equivalent of saying “man up”. Well, why not “woman up”? Or maybe they are promoting packers and admitting women will never be accepted as woman, they better try and be men!

Anyway, OP. Sounds to me like these young women are more concerned about being woke, have a lot of internalized misogyny, and probably are not competitive athletes themselves seeing their sports careers lost to men.

I am childfree too and it is always interesting to me when young childfree women will deny male oppression in one sentence, while talking openly about their hatred of the expectations on them to have children (though they don’t yet see it as the result of a patriarchal society and still will often blame other women for the pressure to have children).

A lot of them will hit the wall eventually, but that does not answer the short term. Again, if I were you I would call them out on their motivations for even using “big dick” panties in first place as illustrative of how they don’t even think women can compete with these men unless they pretend to be men. Ask them why they give so much power to the “big dick” over the vagina.

ScottishDoll · 21/06/2019 13:07

Big Vagina Panties just doesn't have the same ring to it does it?

FeministCat · 21/06/2019 13:11

‘Panties' is an Americanism and so I would just assume the person who said it is an American male troll.

Panties is also used often here in Canada.

“Put on your big girl panties” is also a saying over here. It is supposed to be a bit of a cry to tough up and do what needs to be done.

I would not assume must be a male troll though. Women in my experience are just as likely to tell someone to “put on their panties” as a man, though I do confess it is the first time I have seen some one way “put on your big dick panties”.

FeministCat · 21/06/2019 13:14

Scottishgirl

No but “put on your big girl panties” is actually a saying here (said to both men and women), so I wonder why they chose “big dick panties” over “big girl panties”.

ScottishDoll · 21/06/2019 13:16

Well it sounds ridiculous to me, and all because you can't use the word trousers across the pond Grin

TheInebriati · 21/06/2019 13:19

I've heard 'big girl pants', not 'panties'.

HorsewithnoHoldsBarred · 21/06/2019 13:32

Big dick panties.

Underwear worn by a big dick?

FeministCat · 21/06/2019 13:33

Well, you can. It’s not like there is a ban on it. My mother moved from England to Canada when she was a teenager and still used more of the English wording or “slang” until she died at 59.

But different English-speaking countries develop their own slang and words for things. Even Canada differs from the US. Heck even regions of Canada differ from other regions of Canada, and same in the US. They are both big countries. In Canada we also have influences from many languages on our own language. I grew up in a region heavily influenced by Ukrainian culture for example, and with a Ukrainian stepfather, so lots of my “slang” or words for things has that background.

If you said trousers here where I am people would know it was a word, and they would know what you were referring to but they would think primarily of “dress pants” or suit pants/formal pants, because trousers are pants here (hence panties are mini-pants ha). You would not typically call jeans, leggings, etc pants or trousers here typically...they just get called jeans or leggings etc.

Here for underwear you get: panties, undies, underwear, ginch/gotch/gitch (regional slang mostly in prairies and Ontario), and who knows what else. People like my mother would say knickers and people knows what it means but it’s just not common vernacular. Where we grew up if she said jumper people would know she meant a sweater, but if you went more rural people would assume she meant a deer (because they jump over fences...). But when she asked a classmate for a “rubber” (eraser) as a teen they looked at her like she was nuts for asking in the middle of class for a condom!

Language is a fun and funny thing.

FeministCat · 21/06/2019 13:35

TheInebriati

And I have only heard big girl panties, never big girl pants!

Goosefoot · 21/06/2019 13:35

I thought it might be a mixed metaphor, big girl panties + big dick energy. Probably not on purpose if so.

TheInebriati · 21/06/2019 13:35

Would they say it to a trans person? I don't think so.

andyoldlabour · 21/06/2019 13:36

Dr Alice Roberts, has in my opinion totally lost the plot. She is supposed to be an intelligent, scientifically trained person, who has now decided to abandon logic and reason, for the new religion of "tolerance and compassion" and then refers to the "misuse of science".
I think Dr Roberts is having a break from Twitter, and is totally getting owned on this thread.
There is some guy trying to tell @fondofbeetles (a developmental biologist and research fellow) that "sex is many things to many people, and there isn't a reliable scientific test for it" Confused

twitter.com/theAliceRoberts/status/1141460396223733761?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Goosefoot · 21/06/2019 13:38

Panties tends to be used especially (though not exclusively) for young girls underwear, so the implication with the saying is you need to grow up, as much as you can, even if you are never going to get all the way there.

FeministCat · 21/06/2019 13:42

I searched memes which we all know is the ultimate answer to mysterious questions, and I see lots for both big girl panties and big girl pants/big boy pants. So I imagine just another more regional difference. Here as I said upthread big girl panties is said or used by both sexes (though I have heard big boy panties once or twice generally from one man to another man).