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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Alice Roberts - what the hell?

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GenderApostate19 · 19/06/2019 19:40

I can’t tell you how utterly disappointed I feel by her comments about Sex and reproduction not being binary. She knows the truth, what the hell is she doing? I’m even more upset by her than by Sarah Champion, she’s a Scientist ffs.

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BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 05/11/2019 09:43

Nemo’s Law

Grin

I’m having that

And FFS Alice Roberts. Yes, if scientists talk wilful bollocks it undermines their credibility and can be used by flat earther types

Stop it

Melroses · 05/11/2019 09:50

It is a huge disappointment to see someone from science, who actually has a public voice, come out with this twaddle. And apparently how we define species now has some bearing as to whether humans change sex Confused

She was also very condescending about 'school science', which I think is a lot better than she seems to think. There are some good science teachers out there - not enough - but really good.

Liking Nemo's Law Grin

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/11/2019 09:53

Professor of the Public Engagement in Science at the University of Birmingham. Good grief.

I am so disappointed. I used to perk up when I saw she was presenting a programme. Now I trust what she says a lot less.

Why is this such a blind spot for so many people?

EndoplasmicReticulum · 05/11/2019 09:55

When teaching GCSE you say that "only animals of the same species can interbreed to produce fertile offspring". I suppose her point is that because this is not always true then that means everything else you are taught is also not always true and hence humans can change sex. Because clownfish.

Igneococcus · 05/11/2019 09:58

"only animals of the same species can interbreed to produce fertile offspring"
The ones that can interbreed are usually very closely related species, horses and donkeys, lions and tigers, and as far as I know if they do interbreed their offspring is infertile.

Grimbles · 05/11/2019 10:01

So I guess Alice also believes humans can regrow their limbs, because Axolotls?

dipstyque · 05/11/2019 10:03

She's comparing transgender people to a non-human species? Wow. Offensive much?

BeyondBreakingPoint · 05/11/2019 10:11

Oh Alice, you've had months since this thread started - how are you still so wilfully naive on the subject?! 😩

ErrolTheDragon · 05/11/2019 10:14

Exactly what's meant by a 'species' is an extremely interesting question.
But one which has nothing to do with human reproductive biology in the 21st century.

Biology is complicated, but some of it really isn't.

BeyondBreakingPoint · 05/11/2019 10:22

Hang on... isnt she saying biology isn't so simple as clown fish can interbreed with other species' (though is that any random species, or just other clown fish? Grin ) and create fertile offspring? I think she misunderstood the "but clownfish" argument - usually used for proof that changing sex is possible.

Poor clown fish, dragged into everything.

LangCleg · 05/11/2019 10:23

My other half has been very defensive of AR, but last night, she peaked him good and proper.

Mine has been the subject of intense mockery! He had a tellybox crush on Alice to the extent he would watch ancient reruns of Time Team. His one true tellyboxing love has crushed him (snigger). Since I am sufficiently evil to mock without cease, I am most grateful to Alice for the renewed outbreak of Woke creationism.

BeyondBreakingPoint · 05/11/2019 10:23

Yy, x post Errol.

BeyondBreakingPoint · 05/11/2019 10:25

Hopefully baldrick still knows what male and female are, or time team will be completely ruined!

GCAcademic · 05/11/2019 10:27

This is what happens when universities promote people to Professorships on the basis of their mugs being on the telly box and having lots of Twitter followers. These “academics” are inevitably invested in upholding their celebrity status above all else. I’m all for academics doing public engagement, but there needs to be better recognition of the fact that this can make them compromised.

Driechdrizzle · 05/11/2019 10:47

Alice will have had a mum and a dad of the female and male variety. She also made a baby using the same biological method. She is being very silly.

MockersthefeMANist · 05/11/2019 10:56

Some fish can change sex.

But not placental mammals. Because that would be just silly.

littlbrowndog · 05/11/2019 11:07

Emo s law 🤣🤣🤣⭐️⭐️⭐️

littlbrowndog · 05/11/2019 11:08

Nemos

🤦‍♀️

MorrisZapp · 05/11/2019 11:10

Nemo's Law

FOREVER :)

MockersthefeMANist · 05/11/2019 11:14

Oi, what about us Emos???

littlbrowndog · 05/11/2019 11:16

Attention seeking emos

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 05/11/2019 11:20

Alice Roberts was a woman who until recently I unequivocally admired. Her career trajectory looked very much like a model I wanted to follow (without the TV face and 'living-room' public persona, which I'd hate). She had a personable manner, was a gifted communicator who could strike an easy rapport with people, and was an engaging, entertaining public speaker. She also had my interest when openly rejecting the nefarious influence of pinkification (which oddly enough, seemed not so very far removed from a GC stance).

It's disquieting to see someone with these admirable qualities gradually metamorphose into a facsimile of Tony Blair. Blair, who made important policy decisions and even went to war on the basis of 'I BELIEVE' - an unsubstantiated position that I've failed students for in the past (and I'm betting Roberts has, too). Her humanist position is another case in point. It's fine to question the privilege that identification with a major faith brings. But campaiging for the removal of all faith schools and removing that option from others has all the zeal of a new-found religious convert. Not least, arriving at the conclusion 'I do not believe in God' really isn't that much of an intellectual stretch. Again, the stance is that of 'BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE, OR YOU ARE WRONG!'; another uncanny echo of the Blair years.

She's an intelligent woman. She knows exactly what she's about. Intersectionality/third wave is currently a safe theoretical position amid a period of intense indoctrination, de-platforming (which Roberts can ill-afford as first Professor of Public Engagement) and silencing of any opposition, but in the crudest terms possible, without proper scrutiny or argument, and with first recourse to the block facility.

In academic terms, I suspect she's chosen to hitch her wagon to a star. For a woman who claims to have been at the butt of sexism in the past, this isn't only disingenuous but a betrayal of principle. Incidentally, the Blair-Emulation and the 'I am right and you're not' approach, complete-with pretensions to compassion and tolerance, seems to have come about only since she took on the Professorial Chair with the University of Birmingham. I find that interesting.

Driechdrizzle · 05/11/2019 11:28

I've always found her annoying so I'm glad my unreasonable prejudice turns out to be justified.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 05/11/2019 11:39

Igneococcus there are some examples of fertile hybrids, but it's not common. I think grizzly/polar hybrids have been seen to reproduce. Sorry for sidetracking thread.

MissLawls · 05/11/2019 11:41

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