The trans stuff has opened my eyes to our real status

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Jus that really. A minuscule amount of men have managed to pushed through legislation that impacts on and endangers half the population . Nobody even bothered to ask women if this was ok with us. Laws our made without our knowledge and consent.

The police are arresting women for online tweets, while women getting beaten up and damaged and given aids by men in pornography, but nobody arrests those men for hate crimes because pornography is "free speech".

Yes let's be clear on that one. Men can do whatever they want to women in porn and put it online and defend the violence of porn in the name of free speech . But a woman tweeting on Twitter is literal violence. And the police agree with all of this.

The there's the total media blackout on women's opinions and voices. The Times seems to be doing an ok job at the moment but not really.

I could go on. I had no idea how easily our rights could be taken away, and I also didn't have a clue how much we were hated, ignored, dismissed, mocked, ridiculed by society.

Completely agree. We are not even allowed to define ourselves. Men have collectively decided what a women is. We are now non men.

Not just women but children and vulnerable adults in general, anyone deemed to be lower status than men.

Yes, all this has been massively eye opening.

Completely agree. Having my eyes opened has been shocking, depressing, terrifying, and I veer between deep anger and deep dejection at the futility of trying to fight against the way we are treated and viewed.

I veer between deep anger and deep dejection at the futility of trying to fight against the way we are treated and viewed.

It is a long uphill task. I think that we have been in a false utopia where women's rights in law were safe and it was just a matter of bringing up your girls to have a go, encouraging women to use their rights. Now I realise that there are huge structural issues why this hasn't been possible, and that women's rights in law are not safe at all.

I think that we have been in a false utopia where women's rights in law were safe and it was just a matter of bringing up your girls to have a go, encouraging women to use their rights. Now I realise that there are huge structural issues why this hasn't been possible, and that women's rights in law are not safe at all.

This really sums it up for me.

I always knew there was still sexism and misogyny but I really felt things had changed for the good for the most part, in this country at least.

But the under the radar assault on the rights of women and girls, the ease with which it's happened and continues to happen, the sheer amount of people that think it's ok is jaw droppingly shocking to me.

Every time I think I can't be surprised by it any more I am.

I think constantly about The Handmaid's Tale and the relative ease with which women's rights are taken away in that book.

I used to think that was pretty far fetched but now I feel we're getting a taste of how easily it really could be done...it's chilling.

This is an example of how it works:

www.bntmedia.uk/R6l4ZM

The irony in that case is that a transwoman is considering the feelings of trans binary and non binary people and "that's really hard as both feelings are valid."

Never mind actual females...

I'm not really surprised by how quickly women's rights can be taken from them, but I was really shocked by the recent safeguarding scandal. I honestly did not realise how many people in positions of influence really don't care about children, and I was ??? at people putting a man's right to a fetish ahead of child safeguarding.

Not just women but children and vulnerable adults in general, anyone deemed to be lower status than men.

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Actually, I didn't think I could peak anymore than I have but I just did with this story.

Laws haven't yet been pushed through in any of the 4 UK countries afaik, but don't forget the rumour that Scotland is about to grant self ID in a few days' time.

I fear it's not just men who are doing this - Nicola Sturgeon seems desperate to be woke and I, for one, will never forgive Maria Miller for chairing that wretched committee that is so in thrall to the trans movement. Actually, my list of 'never to be forgiven' people of both sexes is now extensive.

Fucking hell, if I went into a public toilet and that person was there I'd run out as fast as I could.

What's so crazy is that in an effort to allow others to define themselves as us, we are no longer allowed to define ourselves.

Yes that article's quite the eye opener Neurotrash.

No mention at all of women and girls and any impact on their safety privacy and dignity let alone consideration for their feelings or for those who need to use the accessible toilet.

The only people who matter in that whole article are trans & non-binary whose feelings alone are elevated above everyone else's actual physical needs and safety - no consultation, no consideration and all being decided by males.

And for trans and non-binary read males, who will have the ability to go wherever they please and fuck everyone else.

Completely agree.

This agenda has been pushed through by a group insisting they are the Most Oppressed Ever.

No. Oppressed groups have no power. The police don't come out when they call, crimes against them aren't properly prosecuted. Crimes against them aren't considered real or serious crimes in society, and they're constantly minimised and justified and shrugged off as just normal. They're not properly represented politically, they have no influence, decisions are made by the powerful groups without consulting them or recognising the impact on them. They are held to unequal standards, and their actions result in far harsher interpretation, criticism and police and court action than the dominant group. The support groups and facilities for the oppressed group are under funded, are difficult to set up, the need for them/right to have them has to be constantly defended against criticism, and their resources are appropriated and redirected to more dominant groups.

You only have to look to see where the power lies in the whole trans narrative. Women are the oppressed group. And the fact that society is ok with this shows exactly what you're saying, OP.

Women's rights and women's equality was a superficial gesture, nothing more. It never went more than skin deep, and men in power saw women's rights as something on loan from men to women as a gesture of goodwill. As soon as men wanted those rights, or perceived a disadvantage to themselves in women having them, the government and equalities committee are quite blunt in wanting women to give up to men whatever they are asked for, and don't see a need to even follow basic standard procedure such as impact assessment.

Great post Michelle

I don't find most of that surprising. Other than the lack of care about children, one of the most curious things to me is the lack of female solidarity. I just can't imagine giving other women's rights away because I personally don't need them. And the viciousness of 'bigot' seems worse from one's own sex somehow.

Agreed it's been a real eye opener in how easily women, especially middle aged women, are forcibly silenced.

I veer between deep anger and deep dejection at the futility of trying to fight against the way we are treated and viewed.

Me too. Why are we having to fight again for our rights?

It's 2019 for goodness sake.

I've come to realise that the fight for our rights will be a never ending fight - the price of freedom is eternal vigilence .

Both depressing and exhausting to contemplate I know, but there it is.

I completely agree OP.

It is as depressing as hell.

I sometimes think of the bit in the Handmaid's Tale when the protagonist wakes up to find her bank account has been frozen. I ponder if that sort of thing might happen to me, as I have signed too many gender critical petitions and liked too many gender critical tweets and posted too many gender critical facebook and mumsnet posts....I will definitely be on the list.

All of this and rolling back of women's reproductive rights in the US and everyone protesting about new laws discriminating against gay men when women have been discriminated against there for bloody ever makes me realise that men really really DO hate women.

Has the Gender Recognition Act gone through here in the UK? Not wanting to derail the thread but where are they with that.

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The original GRA went through across the uk in 2004.
The update removing gatekeeping (aka "Self-id") has gone through in Ireland and Scotland. Not England or Wales yet where It's been frozen.

Women's rights and women's equality was a superficial gesture, nothing more. It never went more than skin deep, and men in power saw women's rights as something on loan from men to women as a gesture of goodwill.

I agree.

The ease in which women's spaces have been removed, the push to change legalisation around surrogacy and the embarrassingly bad conviction rates for male violence against women and girls prove this.

It's going to be a never ending fight.