The trans stuff has opened my eyes to our real status

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Jus that really. A minuscule amount of men have managed to pushed through legislation that impacts on and endangers half the population . Nobody even bothered to ask women if this was ok with us. Laws our made without our knowledge and consent.

The police are arresting women for online tweets, while women getting beaten up and damaged and given aids by men in pornography, but nobody arrests those men for hate crimes because pornography is "free speech".

Yes let's be clear on that one. Men can do whatever they want to women in porn and put it online and defend the violence of porn in the name of free speech . But a woman tweeting on Twitter is literal violence. And the police agree with all of this.

The there's the total media blackout on women's opinions and voices. The Times seems to be doing an ok job at the moment but not really.

I could go on. I had no idea how easily our rights could be taken away, and I also didn't have a clue how much we were hated, ignored, dismissed, mocked, ridiculed by society.

Not this shit again.

Welcome to the world of GC feminism...we're all at our wits end on this and countless other issues

@JanesKettle there's a thread on here about handmaidens. I know that's a contentious term, I am personally happy with using it. But yes, it's so very sad to see women collude with men at the detriment of all women

I think one of the issues behind this is the illusion that, as the years go by, we are moving forward.

People who say "I can't believe you're so transphobic! It's 2019!" As if that date makes it a mic drop.

These MRA are trying to hark back to Victorian ideas of where women stand in society.

Even in 2019 women are taught by society to put others first. Always.

The fact that Mrs Spencer expects her post to be deleted shows that.

(I've screen shotted it!)

@JanesKettle Regarding children, Sheila Jeffrey's in her book The Spinster and her Enemies, details how women had to push for the age of consent. That WOMEN invented the concept of "age of consent" and it was women who pushed for it to be law.
I had previously assumed that men would naturally see this as an important issue for an evolved and right thinking society.
But in fact it turns out that the very idea of the age of consent for children is at odds with male interests. And men, it seems, will fight us over and over, every generation, for their right to fuck children. I really thought these laws were set in stone but they're not

I agree. A few years ago, I really thought we were actually getting somewhere with feminism, things were changing etc.

Now I realise that we will always be at the mercy of men.

It is fucking bullshit. It makes me want to go and live on a desert island.

Yes, I completely agree.

This issue has been an eye-opener as to who really has power in society.

I often feel alternately depressed and just downright furious about everything. There is so much rage inside me.

I have hope though. I believe that the tide is turning. Very slowly, but it is turning.

If they push through self-ID in Scotland I think that will be the tipping point. Perhaps not immediately, but I do think it will eventually peak the entire nation. It will not stand. That is my belief. 98% of the public will not accept it. Support for self-ID in Scotland is under 20%.

Oppressed groups have no power. The police don't come out when they call, crimes against them aren't properly prosecuted. Crimes against them aren't considered real or serious crimes in society, and they're constantly minimised and justified and shrugged off as just normal. They're not properly represented politically, they have no influence, decisions are made by the powerful groups without consulting them or recognising the impact on them. They are held to unequal standards, and their actions result in far harsher interpretation, criticism and police and court action than the dominant group. The support groups and facilities for the oppressed group are under funded, are difficult to set up, the need for them/right to have them has to be constantly defended against criticism, and their resources are appropriated and redirected to more dominant groups.

Preach. This is a hyper-privileged group given sacred caste status.

LangCleg would it be rude of me to ask if you have fishbelly-white skin, wild red hair, and lots of tattoos? There's a character in the book I'm reading at the moment who answers to that description, called Lang Cleg.

We are not even allowed to define ourselves. Men have collectively decided what a women is.
I had a fume with/at one of my rather woke DC about this recently. No, mate, I will NOT call myself a ciswoman, a cis-woman or a cis woman, because - get this - it is up to me, as a member of a group which still does not enjoy equal status, to decide what I call myself and others like me. I am a woman.
But what does it cost you? asked the woke one. It's only a word.
No, no, it isn't only a word. It's giving in to this batshit idea that XX and XY mean nothing. It's letting MEN define who we are.

And, er, in the 21st century I'm not playing that game.

If they push through self-ID in Scotland I think that will be the tipping point. Perhaps not immediately, but I do think it will eventually peak the entire nation. It will not stand.

Ironically, I suspect what will overturn it will be men refusing to tolerate it. GC women here have been patiently trying to point out for years, along with TS people, that the average dad who perceives their kid in danger from a predator will not give a fuck for the predator's pronouns. When girlfriends and wives and daughters and mothers and sisters are afraid and distressed in loos and changing rooms and hospital wards and the assaults start piling up, there is a very real danger here. This is anything but the way to gain tolerance and win hearts and minds.

My father was meh about the whole thing until I sat him down and explained how this affected me, his other female children, his grandchildren and his mother. And then he made the noise he used to make at my dodgier boyfriends and wrote to his MP.

On the plus side: in every generation women come back with the liberation front, standing on a stronger platform of their previous gains, and they fight it through again. Harder. #Suffragette The Return: This Time She's Really Pissed Off.

the assaults start piling up

We won't officially know as they won't be reported or recorded correctly.

I've said before but I will be like a saggy-titted harridan version of The Terminator when it comes to this fight - I simply will not stop.

And I know there are multitudes like me (possibly not saggy-titted, but I digress...)

@Michelleoftheresistance Totally. Women's status as the property of men will squash this eventually. Men won't want their daughters and wives at risk. We exist only in relation to men. I suspect the Muslim community will also be against it. The Muslim and conservative male reasoning that they don't want their property touched by other men won't do anything about our actual status as women though. But it will tip things in favor of segregated spaces.

@terryleather that made me giggle , thanks. Poise said something similar recently, about her being on her death bed uttering her dying breath and she still wouldn't say men can be women

Blame liberal feminism. We can have it all if we are willing to be like men. I don't want to be like a man.

@NeurotrashWarrior so have I.... am I allowed to post the email I’ve received from MNHQ? Talk about women shafting other women, it’s batshit in its contempt for women (and for free speech in general)....

I read Vox a little while ago. I imagine this is how it started.

Sod it. This is part of the email I received from MNHQ:

“Can I use the expression ‘TIM’ (trans-identified male) in conversation with one another, as long as we don’t use it in conversation with someone who is themselves transgender?
We're likely to delete this term however it's used. 'Trans-identified' seems pretty goady – people generally don't identify as trans, but as the opposite sex. As someone said on this thread, one person can't really tell another how they identify, even if they disagree with the logic.
‘TIM’ also focuses heavily on natal sex. We don’t wish to prevent anyone from asserting as part of their gender critical position that transwomen are born male, and as ever, there is room for mods to exercise their individual judgment. But we think trans people will feel unwelcome if users habitually use a collective term which defines them by an aspect of their identity that they have explicitly rejected, so we’ll usually delete collective terms for trans people which centre on natal sex.

We know you'll be disappointed with our decision, but while we want to allow everyone to express their opinions on this issue, it's important that the debate remains civil and constructive. We'd be really grateful if you could post within the guidelines from now on.”

WHY IS IT ALL ABOUT THE FEELINGS OF THE TRANS PEOPLE - and in this case we are talking about transwomen I.e.born males - WHEN WE ARE DISCUSSING HOW THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OF WOMEN ARE BEING ERODED???

And if I can’t refer to a transwoman as a TIM, why can they insist that I’m a cis woman???? I’m a woman for fuck’s sake.

And if I can’t refer to a transwoman as a TIM, why can they insist that I’m a cis woman???? I’m a woman for fuck’s sake.

TBF they can't on MN as it's also likely to be deleted as goady.

To quote MNHQ: But we think trans people will feel unwelcome if users habitually use a collective term which defines them by an aspect of their identity that they have explicitly rejected, so we’ll usually delete collective terms for trans people which centre on natal sex.

But it’s ok to refer to women as cis women even though we explicitly reject this term?

Ffs

@Ereshkigal. Really? I didn’t know that!

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Not this shit again
Yep, this shit, women and their pesky rights...