www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00060vg starts at about 31 mins 30 secs into the programme.
Sounds like the Vatican has released some guidance on having trans members of the congregation.
With Jane Fae (I think pre recorded), Austin Ivereigh (catholic journalist) and Dr Susannah Cornwall senior lecturer in constructive theologies at Exeter University.
Apparently it precludes a longer 3 part series on the subject?