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Data breaches by Mermaids exposed in the Times

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/06/2019 18:46

Mermaids has apparently put lots of confidential data online including private emails, personal data and emails demonstrating the pressure they have put on the Tavistock.
Andrew Gilligan article - share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parents-anger-as-child-sex-change-charity-puts-private-emails-online-tl0g5hwcg?shareToken=2f8ddc23419c61360023562a62e74d13

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SolitudeAtAltitude · 16/06/2019 11:23

What worries me is that they are almost untouchable, legitimised by prince Harry, the National Lottery.... training schools and police

Can this tide even be stopped?

Outanabout · 16/06/2019 11:24

After the 'Kids' disaster, destroying the reputations of everyone connected to it,
I'm amazed charities like this can persuade anyone to be a trustee.

Weezol · 16/06/2019 11:26

'It is important to note that the email group in question was in a very obscure online location and the charity's name was not included in its title.'

From Mermaids in the Mail - I don't know where to start with it.

Anyone can call themself an IT consultant. It's not a protected professional title - anyone can be an IT consultant, it doesn't mean they have any knowledge or training.

DanaPhoenix · 16/06/2019 11:27

It's only been a matter of time. Keep pushing. Lift the veil.

jamrollyolly · 16/06/2019 11:31

This is a huge story and yet nothing (as far as I can see) on the BBC. They're not even pretending to be unbiased at this point are they!

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2019 11:31

I think it's worth reflecting on how you deradicalise people at this point.

You can't do it by being confrontational. It has the opposite effect. You have to do it drip, by drip and let people come to their own conclusions based on their values.

What you can do is stress other people's 'scared values', so that they notice and focus on those and how a cultish behaviour goes against that.

They need room to come to this realisation, on their own terms.

Unfortunately this means if you call Maugham names on social media at this point, you run the risk of him withdrawing back to wokeness.

Instead you effectively have to go "Yes isn't comprehensive structural governance across all areas really important. If they've failed in an areas where the CEO is supposed to be skilled, perhaps there are governance issues throughout the charity?" Then flutter your eyelids, pretend your fucking stupid whilst pointing him vaguely in the right direction.

It's incredibly frustrating and annoying, but a pile on criticising him isn't going to help at this point. Instead being nice, friendly and going almost 'oh aren't you so clever, how about you look at this too and see if you can see any problems in this area?' is how to play it.

It fucking hurts to do it like this, but its pretty much how deradicalising works cos humans are contrary and don't respond well to being told' oh you, you've behaved like a spineless, sexist twat' and don't tend to change entrenched opinions easily unless given the latitude to do so freely.

I don't like it, but that's how it is.

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2019 11:35

Having said that, I do think confrontational and more shouty approaches to raising awareness of initial issues are hugely important.

They generate the headlines and generate interest and can be hugely persuasive to people who haven't been radicalised.

They keep the subject on the agenda and noticed.

Thus its a pincer approach where different tactics work - just you need to know which works on who and target wisely.

TimeLady · 16/06/2019 11:49

Comments 100% backing an investigation.

EverardDigby · 16/06/2019 11:55

It's definitely not normal in the charity sector to share confidential information about casework with trustees. As someone said before it might happen where a complaint or grievance / disciplinary was being investigated, or possibly where a trustee was in a technical supervision role, though this isn't common IME, but definitely not on a routine basis, they have no need to know.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 16/06/2019 12:10

Can't see Susie lasting much longer. Not holding breath though.

Perhaps she can go hang out with Ruth Hunt.

Needmoresleep · 16/06/2019 12:12

Worthnoting that the names of three trustees in the Charities Commissary report before last were withheld. I think that was the time when problems first started happening. So a parent might not even know who her child's case was discussed with.

Cwenthryth · 16/06/2019 12:18

What possible reason could there be to withhold a trustee’s name, let alone three of them?! Trustees are there to ensure the charity is held to account, stays within its remit and behaves itself legally etc (I am a charity trustee myself), I can’t see why you would not be public about who your trustees are - or why the charity commission would allow that, either.

ChickenonaMug · 16/06/2019 12:30

The whole trans narrative is based on the premise that the most vulnerable in society is trans people. Kids are less important that trans people. Transkids are the sacred ones who must be placed on a pedestal - but they are being treated as trans before kids. Their rights and vulnerability as children comes second to trans. They are used to progress the rights of adults as a result.

I noticed a comment on the thread about going public a number of comments about how they and their children think trans are the most vulnerable. It struck me that there isn't thought given to kids who have a history of abuse. Or kids who have different cultural backgrounds which might mean they are more isolated and have less power.

RedToothBrush, this completely describes my visit to my MP. I went specifically to talk about my concerns regarding trans-inclusive policies, single-sex spaces and the impact on girls who have been or are being subjected to sexual abuse.. He knew what I was coming to discuss with him beforehand. Throughout the meeting he kept telling me how trans people were the most vulnerable in society and implying that sexually abused girls would just have to deal with it for the sake of vulnerable transgender people.

My MP also kept telling me how awful the mental health statistics are for transgender people and I actually had to point out that the statistics for sexually abused girls were also awful. Even then he couldn't concede that these vulnerable girls should also be protected from policies that might impact further their trauma and mental health. in fact, he basically summarised the meeting by stating that on the one hand we have trans children who have high mental health issues and self-harm and on the other hand we have girls who have been sexually abused who may have some mental health issues and be impacted by a change to toilets policy. He stressed the word may although that aren't his exact words but similar.

My MP also kept trying to change the subject to things like transgender prisoners and explained that he thought that the offences that White committed whilst in a female prison should not result in a tightening of the policy of admitting males, who identify themselves to be females, into female prisons. I had to keep trying to bring subject I wanted to discuss back to sexual abused girls and women, as my MP couldn't have made it clearer that he thought that the trauma of these vulnerable girls was far less important than the needs of males, who are identifying as female.

A few weeks later he signed something which stated that he agreed that transgender people are the most vulnerable in society.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/06/2019 12:34

Susie Green wasn't an IT consultant. I have seen her LinkedIn profile in screenshot on Twitter and it says she went to some sort of academy - one person said it's the kind of place that charges a large fee to put people through a short course with a certificate at the end of it. Then she worked for Leeds CAB for many years as IT manager. That could mean anything, from glorified office manager to fully trained IT specialist. Then she went to work for Mermaids. No mention of a degree.

Also, Mermaids existed before she went there. I think it was a lot smaller, but she didn't establish it.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/06/2019 12:36

RedToothBrush, Chicken, spot on. I don't know how we got here but yes, trans people are treated as the most vulnerable in society, everybody else is lower down the list. C**women are amongst the most privileged, of course. Hmm

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/06/2019 12:36

Mermaids existed before she went there. I think it was a lot smaller, but she didn't establish it.

Huh. I didn't know that. I always thought Mermaids was Susie Green. Do we know who did found it?

AnyMinuteNow · 16/06/2019 12:38

Thank you Ova

I am alarmed by the assumptions about a child of nursery age peeing themselves being interpreted as a toddler identifying themselves as trans by parents.

Wheres the actual evidence, and then based on this the child is put into the mermaids process?

Is this actually really happening? What qualification for such life altering/destroying decisions?

Afaik from child development psychology these children cannot have any understanding of their actual sex at such a tender age.

Also, it wasnt hidden! It was searched by simply using the mermaids name and charity number so accessible to the whole world.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/06/2019 12:39

Don't know. Their website says they were formed in 1995 by a group of parents.

AnyMinuteNow · 16/06/2019 12:42

Chickenonamug can you name the MP?

TheBullshitGoesOn · 16/06/2019 12:42

Thank you Andrew, Janice and The Times editors for continuing to shine a spotlight on this.

And thanks also to the tireless posters on FWR who continuously work to protect women and children.

Regarding how to persuade those who cling onto their support of this dangerous ideology, I wonder whether this can help with ideas:
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/indepth/flat-earthers-and-the-rise-of-science-denial-in-america/ar-AACHUn3?ocid=ientp

Cwenthryth · 16/06/2019 12:43

Mermaids existed before she went there. I think it was a lot smaller, but she didn't establish it.
Ah, I didn’t know that, and I’ve been following all this for a while - just goes to show how much it is the Susie Green show I guess. Well then they could definitely oust her then.

Can I just ask - why do we care what Jolly M QC thinks of anything anyway? I know he’s a loudmouth on Twitter but what actual power or influence does he have, seems like just another privileged man wittering on to me - he’s not the chair of anything relevant or an elected representative is he?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/06/2019 12:44

It's not been clear, but these emails that were available were from 2016-2017 - have they been openly available since then, or is it something more recent?

AnotherNightWatering · 16/06/2019 12:47

It's just reached the bbc
"Trans charity Mermaids UK 'deeply sorry' for data breach"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48652970

SarahTancredi · 16/06/2019 12:48

Afaik from child development psychology these children cannot have any understanding of their actual sex at such a tender age

There is a Ted talk on you tube that has a woman speaking to a very packed audience . Gems include a baby/toddler undoing poppers on a baby grow is fashioning a dress. And a 2 yr old ish girl who wont keep a clip on her hair and saying "I boy" means she is a boy and that parents should listen to these clear messages from children re their gender identity.

Dd2 was a dog for years. She wouldnt keep clothes on either and of there was a popper or zip shed be undoing it.

The likes of m&s have cottoned on to the large market for seam free clothing, skin kind clothing there are websites for eczema friendly clothing etc all cashing in on the need for many children to be comfortable in their clothing.

Yet it doesnt occur to these so called experts that Kids could just not like frills and seams and scratchy sequins etc that actually joggers and plain t shirts might just be more comfortable.

How can an expert assume it immediately means they are trans and dont just want to be restricted in their activities in stupid impractical dresses.

It's an absolute horror show.

Nothing at all wrong with being an effeminate boy either. If he wants to dance and twirl etc let him. Theres an entire ballet school for boys in London.

It's pure homophobia

AnyMinuteNow · 16/06/2019 12:49

Has anyone else seen this...

For anyone who has seen Susie Green laughing on camera at her own child's micro penis, this doesn't come as a huge surprise . www.thetimes.co.uk/a…

Its just horrific that a mother can treat her child this way