Hayward Gallery exhibition, Gendered Intelligence teacher training event about it

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Just reading about this now on Transgender Trend. Attendant wrote account immediately after attending last night. This is absolutely grim and links up a lot of stuff that's been covered here and on GC Twitter in the last week or two. Queer theory, porn, BDSM all linked into gender identity and the proponents think this is all suitable to discuss with children.

It's quite a graphic account, be warned.

www.transgendertrend.com/gendered-intelligence-training-teachers-kiss-my-genders/

I watched that 'work' last night and it was to be honest, quite disturbing. I'm 51 and I couldn't imagine what it would be like if I was 4 or 5 trying to make sense of it. Let alone 13-17.

meh, this Jenkin van Zyl person isn't doing anything original in my opinion, judging from instagram. playing around a bit with phallocentric male sexuality. whatevs, seen it all before.

you know, this really isn't inclusive of my sexuality - where do I complain?

They are offering FREE entrance to PRIMARY school groups!!

Primary schools local to the Hayward serve complex catchments where poverty and other needs are common.

Targeting young children for art that deals with adult themes is beyond irresponsible.

Looners. Ok thanks.

Unbelievable.

One offhand line about child sexual abuse in a YT interview brought down Milo - yet suddenly all this stuff is slipping under the radar in the name of gender identity.

suddenly all this stuff is slipping under the radar in the name of gender identity.

Teflon coating.

"Kiss My Fetish"

Seriously just say it like it is. The exhibition seems to have little to do with gender. I get art can be provocative but honestly? Balloon sex??? 🤯🤣
Make it 18+ you bloody pervs.

I saw that teachers evening, unfortunately it was sold out. What the actual fuck were primary school teachers doing there? Hopefully, just wanted a free night out.

This linking of gender identity to sexual fetish is deliberate. People that get their sexual kicks through exhibitionist behaviour are delighted!

I saw a guy online claiming discrimination because a photo (faces obsured) appeared showing his wife leading another man through the city streets on a leash. He actually used the word "discrimination".
Not everyone wants to be involved in your sex kicks mate. Keep it in the dungeon.

I never watched that vid

Sometimes I find images stay in my head and keep replaying so try not to see
Imagine not being warned

Imagine how kids would feel

It’s vile what is happening and in plain sight

I’ve been trying to work out whether inviting any aged child to the exhibition constitutes a criminal offence. I've looked at the 2003 sexual offences act:
Offences against children Under 16: Section 12: Causing a child to watch a sexual act – this includes images.
The problem is that the purpose for the adult is to obtain sexual gratification. While my personal opinion is that anyone advocating exposing children to adult sexual / fetish images is doing it for nefarious reasons, not sure that would stand up in court.

Any lawyers / police officers / safeguarding experts with advice?

Who did what the video? What was in it?

I'm finding the use of the words "safe space" worrying.

Too much these words appear to be used to hide groups of cyp away from adult who have a better understanding of what a true safe space is.

Safeguarding art and law ironically brought up this:

learning.nspcc.org.uk/safeguarding-child-protection/for-performing-arts/

More for the performing arts.

Making a safe space includes;

provide separate changing areas for children of each gender and for adults

I've found this; no idea what the organisation is.

It's lengthy and could do with going through with a fine tooth comb.

It seems to say that freedom of expression v safeguarding needs to be balanced.

www.indexoncensorship.org/2015/07/art-and-the-law-child-protection/

NeurotrashWarrior
The irony. Normally you could ask the NSPCC safeguarding line for advice - but these days I'm not sure I'd trust their judgement.

How dare women paint about menstruation.

www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/oct/08/repulsive-to-children-and-adults-how-explicit-should-public-art-get

It feels as if the "T"s are now opening the door for the "K"s and their friends.

Demedicalise gender dysphoria, emphasise an unscientific gender spectrum rather than binary sex, and anything goes.

I was walking along Victoria Street in Central London yesterday evening behind some Millennial office worker on his way to the station talking loudly on his phone. I quickly realised he was describing masturbation, joking with the person on the other end of the phone that he was providing a tutorial. Great detail, there was a mention of "cheese".

Sorry. I don't care what he does in his bedroom, or what he does with other consenting adults. But I dont think I am being less that open minded to say that I simply did not want to know. In the same way as I would not want to work at the NSPCC and find myself wondering why rubberboy had spent so long in the loo. (My god, you might find yourself inadvertently checking the expression on his face as he returned to the office.) And particularly that I needed to check for myself before signing a permission slip for the primary school took my kids to something at the South Bank.

Is there still an offence about offending public decency. I don't want my boundaries trampled on.

And and the law; often more about safeguarding from physical harm of toxic substances or falling art work etc.

www.artbusinessinfo.com/legal-matters-for-artists.html#

From that link:

Other UK providers of training in art law are:
• Professional development course | Art and Law Training | V&A - a two day course for museum and gallery professionals, covering a number of central legal issues relating to acquisition, collections management and curatorship.
• MSc Art, Law and Business | Christie's Education London

So I wonder if gallery content and safeguarding is covered by the v and a course

www.vam.ac.uk/event/ErL2x6NM/art-and-law-training

Sorry I don't have time to go through this. Poorly child. I feel the answers may be there or may not be something that's covered by art law and may be under things like cinematography.

Baring in mind that very graphic painting a currently hang in galleries everywhere.

Indecent displays act 1981:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/42/contents

The first link I posted probably points to the legislation needed here.

I'm uneasy about this paragraph in the context of the Hayward, but is referring more to images of young children:

*In the context of child protection, the rights of children not to be exploited and those of a young audience will be set against the right to freedom of expression. That means the police and courts are permitted in some circumstances to act in ways that will compromise the freedom of expression rights of artists. Any decision they make will require these competing objectives to be balanced. The Crown Prosecution Service must reasonably consider that it is in the public interest to bring a prosecution.

If the images you are making raise issues about child protection, allowing for the heightened sensitivity about children under the law, then the balance may fall against freedom of expression. If an artist is prosecuted for any of these offences, the consequences could be very serious for him or her personally and for freedom of expression more widely. For all these reasons, it is advisable to prepare well and challenge early.*

This is more about the responsibility of the gallery and the course organisers. There are grey areas I feel.

This one for clarity:

www.indexoncensorship.org/2015/07/art-and-the-law-child-protection/

The UK laws that could be used to prosecute artists in relation to images of children include:

• The Protection of Children Act 1978 (PCA), which prohibits making, taking, permitting to be taken, distributing or showing indecent photographs or “pseudo-photographs” of children (including film or computer data such as scans) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1978/37/contentss_. “Pseudo-photographs” are defined as “an image, whether made by computer graphics or otherwise, which appears to be a photograph”.

• The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (CJA), which creates an offence of possession of indecent photograph or “pseudo-photograph” of a child http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/33/contentss_

• The Coroners and Justice Act 2009 (COJA), which criminalises the possession of nonphotographic images of children which are pornographic and grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2009/25/contentss_

• Children and Young Persons (Harmful Publications) Act 1955 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/3-4/28/introductionn_

• Indecent Displays (Control) Act 1981 (IDCA) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1981/42/contentss_

• Obscene Publications Act 1959 (OPA) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/7-8/66/contentss_

• Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/60/contentss_
These laws are intended to protect the rights of children. The police and prosecuting authorities should also consider the free expression rights of artists and galleries under the European Convention on Human Rights when making a decision about whether to investigate or prosecute.

I'm not convinced there are any specific laws covering this.

cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/complaint-box-adult-art/

I agree NeurotrashWarrior

Evidently our legislators never anticipated that charities like Gendered Intelligence and art galleries like the Hayward would want children to view such images. At the very least I'll try a call to 101 and seek their advice.

Since when was porn and accepted family afternoon out ?